Why is Victor Ortiz the underdog???

[IronDanHamza]

Berto is tailor made for Ortiz.

Outside of a good shot from Berto that stops Ortiz, Ortiz wins again.

Can't believe he's the underdog. No doubt will I be putting money down on that.

[Bushbaby]

I simply have a feeling that Berto takes this 1. No hard feeling towards any of them though.

[LeG00N]

I simply have a feeling that Berto takes this 1. No hard feeling towards any of them though.

is the feeling based on something or just a hunch ?

[Bushbaby]

is the feeling based on something or just a hunch ?

I think Berto is more hungry this time around. Just like Ortiz was the 1st time. Either way I believe the fight will be great! I'm just going with Berto, no knock on Ortiz though.

[Jayallday9]

I personally think it's a 50/50 fight but i can see how Ortiz can be an underdog because of this....... Ortiz was viewed as a quitter who had no heart, and Berto was viewed as an undefeated K.O artist, which made it easy for Berto to arrogantly walk into the first fight thinking he would blow through Vic. Not realizing how strong and relentless and desperate Ortiz was to prove critics wrong, Berto just didn't exactly know who or what he was up against. Now after regaining confidence from winning another title AND especially watching Vic quit (he was NOT knocked out) against Floyd, it will be Berto who is desperate to not lose and prove critics wrong. So I say 50/50 but you never know.

[IMDAZED]

Ortiz dont seem like his head is always in the game, Berto is coming across like he is dying for Revenge and apparently Conte is working wonders for his conditioning.....


Bottom line though is he isn't as strong as Vic, still takes way too many shots and lacks a good inside game

Berto looked like he was getting tired in his last bout. I wish that fight had gone on.

[New England]

Every bookmaker has Ortiz the underdog for his rematch against Berto.

Is there something they know that I dont? Cause IMO Ortiz stops Berto this time arround. Berto is an overrated bum who was getting his ass kicked by Jan Zaveck

put a bet on him then, brother


what sites do you guys use to gamble in the states anyway?

i check all of my odds on european websites, but i'm blocked from wagering on them because i live in the states

i've been on a straight bender over the weekends looking for the proper sites to start the year off right with some good old fashioned ********.
i've signed up for a couple and i've been very dissapointed
havn't even made a deposit


my resolution for 2012 was to gamble more if you can believe that

it's not a problem if you dont lose.



however, the online ******** venues SUCK for boxing!
they suck!

they carry next no nothing for fights
and give you props for picking winners only (for the most part)


any serious american gamblers with any information they can give me will be handsomely rewarded with a billion e-points

pm me

[4Corners]

This one won't go the distance.

I really do think Berto is going to TKO Ortiz in 7-8 rounds. Berto was so damn close to the TKO in that 6th round. That was a crazy round, the ref was ready and willing to stop the fight, and than one second later Ortiz sends Berto down. That was so damn close to being a Berto win by TKO in the 6th. Than, we would have had a Mayweather-Berto beat down. But, Ortiz knocked him down, over came adversity, and fought hard like a champ to win the fight by UD.

Still, I am going Berto, TKO in 7-8.

I could be proved wrong, big time. I just think Berto is on a mission. Yes, he was getting tagged a bit by Zaveck, a slow as hell Euro fighter, but Berto was still winning that fight.

If Berto gasses after the first 4-5 rounds still and Conte hasn't fixed that problem, it could very well be an Ortiz win again by UD. I don't see Ortiz stopping Berto.

If Ortiz loses this fight also, he will probably go on to another Fernando Vargas, Ricardo Mayorga, etc. I just don't think Ortiz has the right mental state of mind to come back again if he loses this fight, especially if he gets KO'd.

If Berto loses this fight, he will never get a shot to fight Ortiz again, and would have to work his way from the ground up to be recognized as a Top WW again. If Berto loses this fight, I don't think you'll see him even being mentioned for a potential showdown with the best at 147, for at least a couple years, and Berto is in his prime right now.

[BartBears]

put a bet on him then, brother


what sites do you guys use to gamble in the states anyway?

i check all of my odds on european websites, but i'm blocked from wagering on them because i live in the states

i've been on a straight bender over the weekends looking for the proper sites to start the year off right with some good old fashioned ********.
i've signed up for a couple and i've been very dissapointed
havn't even made a deposit


my resolution for 2012 was to gamble more if you can believe that

it's not a problem if you dont lose.



however, the online ******** venues SUCK for boxing!
they suck!

they carry next no nothing for fights
and give you props for picking winners only (for the most part)


any serious american gamblers with any information they can give me will be handsomely rewarded with a billion e-points

pm me

Well I am not from US nor gambler lol
but here are a few betting sites that you might find useful, they carry lots of boxing imo

sportsbook.com
thegreek.com
bet52.com
bodog.com
5dimes.com

[FJRod]

Maybe they realized he is focusing more on his music career ....no but seriously I have Berto this time he got caught early and din't have his legs to back him up for more than half of the fight and still managed to hurt Ortiz various times also Ortiz was moving up in weight felt stronger he is is now settled at that weight so he might not come as hungry as before. I think Berto takes this one. The ref is going to be biased towards anything Ortiz does this time around because of the statements he made also. I can see why they have him as the Underdog. I would say I didn't see much improvent in Berto's last outing he seemed tired as well but we will see. Also keep in mind if berto wins we are guaranteed a 3rd bout.