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  • #31
    Berto was blindsided by Ortiz.. Because of some of Ortiz's lackluster outings and his loss to Maidana from quitting, I've no doubt Berto wrote him off as an easy win. This time around Berto will be razor sharp and focused. His career is at stake. I also believe that Ortiz has flawed focus. He has a quitter in him if things get too Hellish in there. He wasn't unconscious from MW's strikes just like he wasn't rendered unable to fight by Maidana. His will just gave out.

    Berto however.. I have no indication that he doesn't have the heart of a lion and the will to back it up.

    That goes a long way. I'm gonna go out on a limb and pick a more focused and better prepared, hungrier Berto to win the rematch. Stylistically they are similar anyway. Dismal defenses, strong punches. Will will be the deciding factor, and Berto will have the edge. Bet

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    • #32
      Bookies make mistakes...

      Berto's inside fighting still consists of standing mummy stiff, feet squared up, off balance, all of his weight pushing forward, chin in the air, trying to smother/hold on, etc. and this is where we can assume Ortiz will be fighting him.

      The differences from the first fight is Berto is going to try to keep Ortiz on his heels by using his offense and inside fighting (as he did against Zaveck); and he's trying to improve his stamina by working with Conte.

      He's going to find out that his stamina problem is secondary to his lack of inside fighting skills. Ortiz didn't allow Berto to back him up for too long in the first fight (except for the KD round) and I don't think Ortiz will allow him to back him up for long in the rematch either. Berto on his heels and on the inside = the seemingly helpless version of Berto on the ropes from the first fight. And if Ortiz ever gets the bright idea of taking a step back or to the side when Berto is off balance trying to push forward, Ortiz will see a very vulnerable Berto open for a counter shot that if it lands (any clean shot other than a jab) will hurt him.

      Bookies make mistakes...

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      • #33
        Because he is a tree.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by QUELOQUE View Post
          Bookies make mistakes...

          Berto's inside fighting still consists of standing mummy stiff, feet squared up, off balance, all of his weight pushing forward, chin in the air, trying to smother/hold on, etc. and this is where we can assume Ortiz will be fighting him.

          The differences from the first fight is Berto is going to try to keep Ortiz on his heels by using his offense and inside fighting (as he did against Zaveck); and he's trying to improve his stamina by working with Conte.

          He's going to find out that his stamina problem is secondary to his lack of inside fighting skills. Ortiz didn't allow Berto to back him up for too long in the first fight (except for the KD round) and I don't think Ortiz will allow him to back him up for long in the rematch either. Berto on his heels and on the inside = the seemingly helpless version of Berto on the ropes from the first fight. And if Ortiz ever gets the bright idea of taking a step back or to the side when Berto is off balance trying to push forward, Ortiz will see a very vulnerable Berto open for a counter shot that if it lands (any clean shot other than a jab) will hurt him.

          Bookies make mistakes...
          Yes, bookies can be wrong

          But they are not making a mistake here.. Berto was caught by surprise in the first fight, he will be well prepared for this one and Ortiz has just as many flaws to exploit as Berto has, if not more.

          That's why all Ortiz fights (against semi good comp or better) end up being trade fests. He's a trading kind of fighter... Which is not so good when you don't have the mentality to trade shots with any kind of reliable frequency. Berto will not have to land much more at all than he did in the first match to dishearten Ortiz.

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