Comments Thread For: Chisora Tells Vitali He Uses Steroids on BoxNation Face-Off

[daggum]

vitali was juicing to gain an advantage against amateur bums but when he turned pro and had millions of dollars to make he suddenly learned his lesson and got scared straight....herp?

[Ubermensch]

Only if you ignore the FACT that he is suddenly injury free after the age of 40 in an injury plagued career. Only if you ignore the FACT that he has a past history of using steroids, no matter how anyone tries to justify it.

Too bad none of your FACTS prove a goddamn thing.

I can find something su****ious about any fighter you can name.

How did Chisora improve so rapidly after losing to a slob like Tyson Fury?

He looked like a totally different fighter vs Helenius.

Hey! He MUST have been JUICING!

It's very easy to do this kind of thing.

Face it, you are the exact equivalent of a Federer-loving Nadal hater, who is just looking for anything to bash the guy whose great success drives you crazy.

When you expand your doping worries past the Klitschkos and Vitali in particular, you'll have more credibility.

As I've said. I don't discount the notion that the K-Bros could be juicing. Or that any other top fighter could be juicing. But until we have some WADA-style testing in boxing, it's just speculation as to who is doing what.

[Ubermensch]

vitali was juicing to gain an advantage against amateur bums but when he turned pro and had millions of dollars to make he suddenly learned his lesson and got scared straight....herp?

Got any solid evidence to suggest he is juicing beyond mere speculation?

If not, what's the point?

The point should be that boxing should be instituting strict WADA-style drug testing at a minimum for all title fights.

When the point becomes, "Fighter X is juicing because I say so and I don't like him," the whole argument is undermined.

[JAB5239]

Too bad none of your FACTS prove a goddamn thing.

I can find something su****ious about any fighter you can name.

How did Chisora improve so rapidly after losing to a slob like Tyson Fury?

He looked like a totally different fighter vs Helenius.

Hey! He MUST have been JUICING!

It's very easy to do this kind of thing.

Face it, you are the exact equivalent of a Federer-loving Nadal hater, who is just looking for anything to bash the guy whose great success drives you crazy.

When you expand your doping worries past the Klitschkos and Vitali in particular, you'll have more credibility.

As I've said. I don't discount the notion that the K-Bros could be juicing. Or that any other top fighter could be juicing. But until we have some WADA-style testing in boxing, it's just speculation as to who is doing what.

Temper, temper. You seem to be taking this so personally. I've said on numerous occasions in this thread that I am speculating. But there are still logical reasons behind that speculation. And if you knew me as well as you thought you would know I have questioned other fighters and have started other threads about it. Bottom line is you're angry you cannot refute the fact that V does in fact have a steroid history and has somehow overcome an injury marred career at a time when most athletes, particularly fighters, are calling it a career and retiring.

[Ubermensch]

Temper, temper. You seem to be taking this so personally. I've said on numerous occasions in this thread that I am speculating. But there are still logical reasons behind that speculation. And if you knew me as well as you thought you would know I have questioned other fighters and have started other threads about it. Bottom line is you're angry you cannot refute the fact that V does in fact have a steroid history and has somehow overcome an injury marred career at a time when most athletes, particularly fighters, are calling it a career and retiring.

I'm not the one taking things personally. You can think and say what you like about Vitali or anyone else. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

You're also overlooking the fact that Vitali was out of boxing for 3+ years to heal up injuries.

One person on here says steroids cause injuries and that makes the Klitschkos suspect, and you say Vitali has overcome injuries and that makes him suspect.

So you see how silly this kind of speculation is. Everything becomes evidence that someone is juicing if you don't like that person to begin with (and most here are familiar with your antipathy toward Vitali in particular).

If you don't believe me, look up a web site called Tennis Has A Steroid Problem.

They make some valid points, but when it comes to Nadal, who is the main target, everything he does becomes evidence he is juicing. It's ridiculous.

And for some reason, it's usually the very successful athletes who nevertheless have a lot of detractors, like Nadal and the K-Bros, who get most of the steroid accusations.

[JAB5239]

I'm not the one taking things personally. You can think and say what you like about Vitali or anyone else. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

You're also overlooking the fact that Vitali was out of boxing for 3+ years to heal up injuries.

One person on here says steroids cause injuries and that makes the Klitschkos suspect, and you say Vitali has overcome injuries and that makes him suspect.

So you see how silly this kind of speculation is. Everything becomes evidence that someone is juicing if you don't like that person to begin with (and most here are familiar with your antipathy toward Vitali in particular).

If you don't believe me, look up a web site called Tennis Has A Steroid Problem.

They make some valid points, but when it comes to Nadal, who is the main target, everything he does becomes evidence he is juicing. It's ridiculous.

And for some reason, it's usually the very successful athletes who nevertheless have a lot of detractors, like Nadal and the K-Bros, who get most of the steroid accusations.

I don't care about tennis And you still haven't been abort to refute V's past history and the fact he is injury free at an age most athletes are getting more and more injuries after a career filled with them. Call me and the overwhelming amount of others who agree with.me "haters", but any way you want to spin this it is still reasonable speculation. Only an unobjective person would think otherwise.

[BarrySlisk]

Klitsckos grew up near Chernobyl. They have mutated to become naturally juiced This also explains the "mysterious" injuries !!!!

[Ubermensch]

I don't care about tennis And you still haven't been abort to refute V's past history and the fact he is injury free at an age most athletes are getting more and more injuries after a career filled with them. Call me and the overwhelming amount of others who agree with.me "haters", but any way you want to spin this it is still reasonable speculation. Only an unobjective person would think otherwise.

You don't have to like tennis to see how the analogy works. It's another sport that pits one person against another in combat, and one in which rumors of juicing are rife. And Nadal is seen as a threat to the sport's orthodoxy, just as the K-Bros are in boxing.

Maybe Vitali is injury-free because he took 3+ years off to heal his body. Why is that so hard to accept? It's at least plausible.

As for the "overwhelming amount of others who agree with you," I haven't seen that evidence either. Some people think all the most successful athletes are cheating. Especially the ones they don't like. I am hearing the juicing accusations coming up more lately re the Klitschkos because it's all their detractors have left. They've given up on anyone beating them in the ring. So they need something outside of the ring to do them in.

I don't like the word "haters." Too dramatic. "Detractors" is more civil.

Again, I'm all for WADA-styled blood and urine testing for all title bouts at the very minimum. So what is the problem? If the K-Bros are juicing, they would then be caught. I have never denied the possibility of them juicing. But I haven't seen any solid evidence that they are doing so, either.

[JAB5239]

You don't have to like tennis to see how the analogy works. It's another sport that pits one person against another in combat, and one in which rumors of juicing are rife. And Nadal is seen as a threat to the sport's orthodoxy, just as the K-Bros are in boxing.

Maybe Vitali is injury-free because he took 3+ years off to heal his body. Why is that so hard to accept? It's at least plausible.

As for the "overwhelming amount of others who agree with you," I haven't seen that evidence either. Some people think all the most successful athletes are cheating. Especially the ones they don't like. I am hearing the juicing accusations coming up more lately re the Klitschkos because it's all their detractors have left. They've given up on anyone beating them in the ring. So they need something outside of the ring to do them in.

I don't like the word "haters." Too dramatic. "Detractors" is more civil.

Again, I'm all for WADA-styled blood and urine testing for all title bouts at the very minimum. So what is the problem? If the K-Bros are juicing, they would then be caught. I have never denied the possibility of them juicing. But I haven't seen any solid evidence that they are doing so, either.

It is plausible, but its highly unlikely under the circumstances. Athletes don't just miraculously heal at an advanced age. In fact its the opposite which is true. This leads to LOGICAL speculation.

Lol at tennis being a one on one combat sport!

[Ubermensch]

It is plausible, but its highly unlikely under the circumstances. Athletes don't just miraculously heal at an advanced age. In fact its the opposite which is true. This leads to LOGICAL speculation.

Lol at tennis being a one on one combat sport!

Tennis is more analogous to boxing than most other sports, actually. Except that tennis players aren't hitting each other in the head. But it is one man or woman against another, probing for weaknesses, trying to wear the opponent down and defeat him/her.

Which is why a lot of boxers enjoy tennis (like Andrew Golota!).

Speculation is fine, but it is not always objective. As I said, the more invincible someone appears, the more his detractors will look for something to take him down with, a crack in his armor, if you will.

Like Tiger Woods and his skank addiction.

There doesn't appear to be much out there to go after the K-Bros with, other than the drug cheat accusation. So that's the one I expect to see cropping up more and more.