Vitaly and steroids

[mannyman]

So is it wrong to speculate about a guy who has been injury prone nearly his entire career, but at age 40 seems to be at the top of his game?

to a degree it is. We live in a society of presumed innocence so until you're proved guilty in every day life or boxing you're innocent / clean.

For Vitali specifically, it's not like he's come from nowhere... he's got the skill and size plus HW tend to last longer.

Thing is... if we suspect all these fighters of cheating... whats the point in watching them? We're just tainting the sport with our own BS.

[BattlingNelson]

Than with all due respect I ask you how would you know "Its not as if it was said with a su****ion bigger towards Vitali than towards other fighters in general."?

Like I said old friend, there are plenty of reasonable circumstances to speculate on in a logical manner. I don't claim V or any other fighter is in FACT cheating at the moment, only that there are indicators in my mind and those of plenty of others.

Ahahaha. I see what you did there.

Still the context in which Delboy said what he said is part of the picture.

[JAB5239]

to a degree it is. We live in a society of presumed innocence so until you're proved guilty in every day life or boxing you're innocent / clean.

For Vitali specifically, it's not like he's come from nowhere... he's got the skill and size plus HW tend to last longer.

Thing is... if we suspect all these fighters of cheating... whats the point in watching them? We're just tainting the sport with our own BS.

Long before the "Evan Fields" scandal Evander Holyfield was being accused of juicing. Lennox Lewis was too and in both cases neither had a shred of proof (just like with Vitaly), but neither had a history either. And when you factor in how Vitaly AND Hopkins are fighting past the age of 40 question will arise and its reasonable to speculate. Especially when Vitaly has a long history of injury problems. Seriously, how many athletes bodies actually become less injury prone later in their careers in comparison to earlier?

[ShoulderRoll]

Athletes from the former Eastern Bloc should be eyed with extra su****ion. It might not be fair but they certainly have a history over there of steroid use.

[mannyman]

Long before the "Evan Fields" scandal Evander Holyfield was being accused of juicing. Lennox Lewis was too and in both cases neither had a shred of proof (just like with Vitaly), but neither had a history either. And when you factor in how Vitaly AND Hopkins are fighting past the age of 40 question will arise and its reasonable to speculate. Especially when Vitaly has a long history of injury problems. Seriously, how many athletes bodies actually become less injury prone later in their careers in comparison to earlier?

I've got no answer as i don't know enough about steds and peds. All i can say as before is innocent til proven guilty.

[JAB5239]

I've got no answer as i don't know enough about steds and peds. All i can say as before is innocent til proven guilty.

Fair enough.

[BattlingNelson]

Fair enough.

Cowboys suck.

[JAB5239]

Cowboys suck.

That is just bitter, nationalistic jealousy to be hatin on America's team.

[Joeyzagz]

Exactly, he's neither born in the States nor an American citizen, which is already su****ious. People suspect Pacquiao of using rods because he's made some rapid weight gains in the past years. Klitschko well, he hasn't mady any weight changes, but, umm....he is dominating and not from the States, so he MUST be on rods. Nobody could deny that given these two FACTS.

End of discussion.

What the hell does his nationality have to do with the failed drug test?

Are you claiming he didnt understand the rules because he is not American? Thats bull**** because the Olympic rules are clearly defined in every language you can imagine: Ukrainian, German, English etc.

For Vitali to test positive is a HUGE deal. Even if he was a functional illiterate Im sure he saw Rocky IV and the unfair stereotype Soviets have of juicing their athletes. For him to have a dirty test after all that shows extreme arrogance or sheer ******ity.

[Tmb04]

I mean until I see proof I don't believe it to be true. It's kinda the same deal as with Pacquiao. When you got fighters that dominate so much and steal the spot light, their obviously going to attract all sorts of Haters.. Then they get in the ring with them and get knocked out like the rest of them. I think its a poor excuse for someone to get their 15 minutes of fame by discrediting someone that's accomplished more than they even did their own dreams