There is no point for a Marquez Pac 4, only Floyd vs Pac

[thatnickuh]

Nope. Fights one and two JMM was more aggressive. As I said, there were unknown factors coming to the third fight including his experience in his first fight at welter. We all know Roach and Ariza thought Marquez will be going all-out in the first few rounds by packing more muscles and increasing his strength.

Of course we now know the reverse was true.

Nope. Pacquiao was more aggressive during the 1st 2 fights. The point is that if Roach and Pacquiao haven't made adjustments to deal with counter-punchers by now at this point in his career, then there's no real reason to think that they will be able to do it for a 4th Marquez fight. Did you watch the fight? You claim that Marquez surprised team Pacquiao with his strategy, yet Roach didn't make any adjustments during the fight. He didn't give Pacquiao any instructions on how to deal with Marquez's strategy. Just don't see how anybody would assume that Roach will be able to come up with some master gameplan that will allow Pacquiao to finally solve Marquez on his 4th try.

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What we're going to get is a steady uninterrupted diet of in house fights from Top Rank. Last week the reason was a cut, this week it’s Floyd's jail term, what’s next it's going to be 2012 soon? Bob Arum has excellent cover in this regard because he has an army of flatworms salivating at the chance to back up their hero by finding creative ways to blame Floyd Mayweather for the aids virus and probably herpes as well, and oh yeah, the fight not happening with Pacquiao.

Arum doesn't want this fight and he never will. And the man who should be clamoring for it, Manny Pacquiao, always has to check with whom? That's right his promoter.

[blacksocks]

Nope. Pacquiao was more aggressive during the 1st 2 fights. The point is that if Roach and Pacquiao haven't made adjustments to deal with counter-punchers by now at this point in his career, then there's no real reason to think that they will be able to do it for a 4th Marquez fight. Did you watch the fight? You claim that Marquez surprised team Pacquiao with his strategy, yet Roach didn't make any adjustments during the fight. He didn't give Pacquiao any instructions on how to deal with Marquez's strategy. Just don't see how anybody would assume that Roach will be able to come up with some master gameplan that will allow Pacquiao to finally solve Marquez on his 4th try.

I was saying JMM was more aggressive in his first two fights than the last. Yes, JMM surprised not only team Pacquiao but almost everyone else. That's the clincher and it was because they came up with a new strategy (i.e. wait->move back->wait->counterpunch), that was so much different from the first two fights.

Roach didn't make adjustments because as I said they had no plan B for the strategy that was presented. They were expecting something similar to fights one and two or for JMM to go all-out in the first few rounds---after all, that's what he promised to do (i.e. to never fight like Mosley and make it a war!).

My hats off to Nacho for a well thought out plan executed perfectly by JMM. Their plan was based on how Pac has so much changed from his devil-may-care attitude in their first two fights to a much controlled fighter. That's the big difference!

[PAC-BOY]

pac was not on top of his game. AND STILL beat him (JMM). id have to admit Pac didnt look 100%. No fighter does every fight. it happens. But the end of the story most cant accept is JMM lost. its over! move on! part 4, who cares! Fight a hungry fresh fighter and give him a shot. also show that off nights are a thing in boxing that does happen. Then take out Mayeather if he decides to fight him!

[Spoon23]

What we're going to get is a steady uninterrupted diet of in house fights from Top Rank. Last week the reason was a cut, this week it’s Floyd's jail term, what’s next it's going to be 2012 soon? Bob Arum has excellent cover in this regard because he has an army of flatworms salivating at the chance to back up their hero by finding creative ways to blame Floyd Mayweather for the aids virus and probably herpes as well, and oh yeah, the fight not happening with Pacquiao.

Arum doesn't want this fight and he never will. And the man who should be clamoring for it, Manny Pacquiao, always has to check with whom? That's right his promoter.

what you don't get is that even a greedy man who built an empire like top rank want to die in style. Arum has a few years left before he ends up dead. He is looking for legacy my brother. To cap of his long career as a promoter what better way to do it than to cap it off with the biggest fight of the century. It ain't about money anymore bro. It's his last promotion that will remember him bye. His last big fight. Arum can't bring his moneyt to the grave.. That's what most people don't get.. It's the end of the road for Arum. He wants to be remembered. That's what rich man wants when you have reached wealth like that.. You want to be remembered.

It's ripe. Pac and floyd ain't getting younger. The longer it takes the longer they lose money on making this fight. If Arum is wise it's this year. He ain't a Harvard grad for nothing..

[thatnickuh]

I was saying JMM was more aggressive in his first two fights than the last. Yes, JMM surprised not only team Pacquiao but almost everyone else. That's the clincher and it was because they came up with a new strategy (i.e. wait->move back->wait->counterpunch), that was so much different from the first two fights.

Roach didn't make adjustments because as I said they had no plan B for the strategy that was presented. They were expecting something similar to fights one and two or for JMM to go all-out in the first few rounds---after all, that's what he promised to do (i.e. to never fight like Mosley and make it a war!).

My hats off to Nacho for a well thought out plan executed perfectly by JMM. Their plan was based on how Pac has so much changed from his devil-may-care attitude in their first two fights to a much controlled fighter. That's the big difference!

I understand what you're saying, it's just illogical. The idea that Roach will be able to come up some master anti-counter punching gameplan for Pacquiao is silly.

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what you don't get is that even a greedy man who built an empire like top rank want to die in style. Arum has a few years left before he ends up dead. He is looking for legacy my brother. To cap of his long career as a promoter what better way to do it than to cap it off with the biggest fight of the century. It ain't about money anymore bro. It's his last promotion that will remember him bye. His last big fight. Arum can't bring his moneyt to the grave.. That's what most people don't get.. It's the end of the road for Arum. He wants to be remembered. That's what rich man wants when you have reached wealth like that.. You want to be remembered.

It's ripe. Pac and floyd ain't getting younger. The longer it takes the longer they lose money on making this fight. If Arum is wise it's this year. He ain't a Harvard grad for nothing..

I'd like to think this and maybe it is possible but everything Arum has done has suggested he'd do anything rather than put Pacquiao together with Floyd. I guess only time will tell, because Floyd and Manny as fighters are running out of it, and as you say so is Bob.

[blacksocks]

I understand what you're saying, it's just illogical. The idea that Roach will be able to come up some master anti-counter punching gameplan for Pacquiao is silly.

Well, Roach has no choice but to have one whether it's a fourth fight with Marquez or a fight with Mayweather.

[Spoon23]

pac was not on top of his game. AND STILL beat him (JMM). id have to admit Pac didnt look 100%. No fighter does every fight. it happens. But the end of the story most cant accept is JMM lost. its over! move on! part 4, who cares! Fight a hungry fresh fighter and give him a shot. also show that off nights are a thing in boxing that does happen. Then take out Mayeather if he decides to fight him!

I don't think it was on off night. Styles makes fights.. Marquez style will always be difficult for Pac. I don't think pac is losing a step it is just that some fighters look impressive in fighting other boxers, while some styles makes fighters look good.

Put pac with a Bradley or a Peterson who engages and pac will look his best again. Pac was parked in neutral when he fought Marquez. Marquez counter punching muted him to be aggressive.

Pac has a first gear up to the 5th gear. He only got to 2nd gear coz Marquez style made him cautious when entering. But if a fighter who ****s with Pac , we will definitely see a 5th gear in Pac. That's were pac looks his best..

That said, Floyd vs Pac will be another chess match. Coz Floyd will be waiting to time with his counter punch. Pac will play the role of the aggressor. But doesn't mean Floyd can be a Marquez.

Marquez is smaller he hunches down and pivots. Floyd doesn't do that he backs and does a shoulder role still open for a left straight.

But even if Floyd can hunch he is taller than marquez thus he will still be open for a straight left. That is why Pac vs floyd will always be exciting..

Floyd's weakness is a leftee.. even Senior said he has troubles with south paws.

Floyd winning over Marquez doesn't mean it will be a cakewalk for him when he ****s with Pac.

Styles makes fights.. a lot of intangibles in there.. That's why it's a good fight to see.. But Floyd just wants to go to jail..

[Pacroid]

theres no need for 4th fight, because marquez lost to

a) an inexperienced, 1 handed pacquiao

b) a weight drained pacquiao

and c) got outboxed by pacquiao, who also left marquez face an absolute mess






the only thing left is for pac to KO marquez, but in my opinion, marquez has already received enough punishment from pac.