Why have times changed so much?

[dan_cov]

I hear all this crap about so & so from this so called golden era would smash so & so from today etc yet so many of these guys have losses to like 5 fight novices with losing records etc? Wouldn't ever happen to a top tier fighter today. Never mind one with say a 6'' height & reach disadvantage and giving up several stone.

Prime Carnera as in that freakshow with the Jimmy Hill jaw that didn't beat fcuk all though he had all the size in the world would beat Vitali? You ''boxing historians'' make me crease. You go on about losses & look who these guys lost to. Tye Fields would of punched a hole clean in the clown.

''But Dan he did 15 rounds with so & so'' = Yeah he was a ballroom dancer & he was a milkman and child ******er.

I just can't believe how overrated these pioneers are. Yh lets award them on a 100 fight career and only throwing 64 punches in it, but because they fought in the Bugsy Mallone era they are an ATG! ''Fcuk me he slipped a punch in 1942 against Joe Bloggs at Wembley, greatest defence ever!''

Hey guys you want a high green K? Upload a pic of the sh`ttest boxer from the victorian era, that on Boxingscene means you know it all. (one with his palms facing upwards by his sides, type of guard you do on a drunken night out for a laugh)

These ''ATG HW's'' would be cruiser's today, if that and the likes of Rakhim would bury them, but of course because it can't be proven without means of a time machine, this is why they argue & bring up who beat who etc & use triangle theories though if you do, they red K you!. Go on about styles etc
Reality is 99% of them had vvank footwork, stamina (easy to walk for 15 rounds and clinch once or twice), pish handspeed, no head movement what so ever, the only defence they did have was with their face - not all mind the only real exceptions was Pep, Robinson, Louis, Tunney & a few others.

Sure some was good for their era & would even be today but most are & was cat****.

Prime Carnera K.O's Vitali hahaha!
Any version of Vitali K.O's Primera & sends him back to the circus he came from.

[Canelo Phresh]

i think lamotta beats every middle weight right now even martinez

[dan_cov]

i think lamotta beats every middle weight right now even martinez

Lamotta was a tough, tough son of a b1tch but I think Sergio would of jabbed him to death. I'm not sure LaMotta would of gave Sergio much trouble at all sure the guy would of took a right pasting and kept coming forward willingly but he was slow on his feet & had no real skill set.
His main asset IMO was his chin.

[dan_cov]

Sergio IMO is what I'd class as a 'nimble fighter' he's very nimble on his feet & has an excellent jab, he throws punches from the most weird angles I have ever seen, very fast hands & he mixes his power up. Great lateral movement & usually a fighter will throw a double jab and it the second will be more a range finder for a cross; Sergio however will land a decent jab & the second will be a rocket & they come at crazy angles so fast & fluid.

He's a one of a kind fighter, something that can't be taught.

[Vadrigar.]

I hear all this crap about so & so from this so called golden era would smash so & so from today etc yet so many of these guys have losses to like 5 fight novices with losing records etc? Wouldn't ever happen to a top tier fighter today. Never mind one with say a 6'' height & reach disadvantage and giving up several stone.

Prime Carnera as in that freakshow with the Jimmy Hill jaw that didn't beat fcuk all though he had all the size in the world would beat Vitali? You ''boxing historians'' make me crease. You go on about losses & look who these guys lost to. Tye Fields would of punched a hole clean in the clown.

''But Dan he did 15 rounds with so & so'' = Yeah he was a ballroom dancer & he was a milkman and child ******er.

I just can't believe how overrated these pioneers are. Yh lets award them on a 100 fight career and only throwing 64 punches in it, but because they fought in the Bugsy Mallone era they are an ATG! ''Fcuk me he slipped a punch in 1942 against Joe Bloggs at Wembley, greatest defence ever!''

Hey guys you want a high green K? Upload a pic of the sh`ttest boxer from the victorian era, that on Boxingscene means you know it all. (one with his palms facing upwards by his sides, type of guard you do on a drunken night out for a laugh)

These ''ATG HW's'' would be cruiser's today, if that and the likes of Rakhim would bury them, but of course because it can't be proven without means of a time machine, this is why they argue & bring up who beat who etc & use triangle theories though if you do, they red K you!. Go on about styles etc
Reality is 99% of them had vvank footwork, stamina (easy to walk for 15 rounds and clinch once or twice), pish handspeed, no head movement what so ever, the only defence they did have was with their face - not all mind the only real exceptions was Pep, Robinson, Louis, Tunney & a few others.

Sure some was good for their era & would even be today but most are & was cat****.

Prime Carnera K.O's Vitali hahaha!
Any version of Vitali K.O's Primera & sends him back to the circus he came from.

[Canelo Phresh]

Lamotta was a tough, tough son of a b1tch but I think Sergio would of jabbed him to death. I'm not sure LaMotta would of gave Sergio much trouble at all sure the guy would of took a right pasting and kept coming forward willingly but he was slow on his feet & had no real skill set.
His main asset IMO was his chin.

he had an extremely underrated jab, good lateral movement, great combinations and knew how to cut off the ring. the flaws he shows against robinson were against the greatest of all time. seriously a 12 rounder martinez might squeak a decision out but not a 15 rounder. the other part is that martinez does get sloppy and slip alot when hes being pressured. pavlik gave him difficulties and he isnt half the boxer lamotta is. im just say that martinez would look less than stellar against lamotta and then some. and another point even now margarito while not having a chance in hell to beat martinez, would have better moments than williams did just based on his style pressure fighting with a chin and ring generalship

[Furn]

You can't make direct comparisions in sports through different eras, because things have changed so much.

Modern day athletes have alot more scientific knowledge and they are much more highly paid and can afford all kinds of advantages.

Fighters in the old days didn't have fitness guys, they didn't have 8-10 weeks camps before every fight. They didn't take 60-70 dietary supplements a day. There was no interval training or forced reps or even video of their opponents.

They were much more likely to lose to a lesser opponent becasue they were nowhere near as ell prepared.

[dan_cov]

he had an extremely underrated jab, good lateral movement, great combinations and knew how to cut off the ring. the flaws he shows against robinson were against the greatest of all time. seriously a 12 rounder martinez might squeak a decision out but not a 15 rounder. the other part is that martinez does get sloppy and slip alot when hes being pressured. pavlik gave him difficulties and he isnt half the boxer lamotta is. im just say that martinez would look less than stellar against lamotta and then some. and another point even now margarito while not having a chance in hell to beat martinez, would have better moments than williams did just based on his style pressure fighting with a chin and ring generalship

Good reply & I don't think for 1 minute Sergio stops Lamotta, that guy could take an insane amount of punishment. The more I think about it, over 15 I'd like Lamotta's chances more. But over 12 I think Sergio beats him on points convincingly.

A lot of people think Sergio's amazing in the pocket, I think this is how he could be beaten, he really does not have a great inside game but at range he is so fast & slippery.

[Canelo Phresh]

Good reply & I don't think for 1 minute Sergio stops Lamotta, that guy could take an insane amount of punishment. The more I think about it, over 15 I'd like Lamotta's chances more. But over 12 I think Sergio beats him on points convincingly.

A lot of people think Sergio's amazing in the pocket, I think this is how he could be beaten, he really does not have a great inside game but at range he is so fast & slippery.

yeah his inside worse than pacs. its a fight id love to see based on styles. hope they have martinez in the next fight night and dont make him a poor rjj clone. i get your points on old fighters being held to greater positions than might be true but not the likes of hearns leonard and hagler

[dan_cov]

yeah his inside worse than pacs. its a fight id love to see based on styles. hope they have martinez in the next fight night and dont make him a poor rjj clone. i get your points on old fighters being held to greater positions than might be true but not the likes of hearns leonard and hagler

Haha no chance Leonard, Hagler, Hearns are legit ATG's and all 3 very likely destroy anybody of today.
3 of the greatest fighters to ever live, no doubt about that.