calzone will win.. if he still got the power and stamina of old self.
Calzaghe and Lacy is on! ..... C'MON!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Martin (Top Knowledge)Calzaghe has won and defended his title 18 times, and has beaten 6 World champions along the way...
You've gotta respect that?
Especially as you'e a Hopkins fan...
His "title" is a WBO strap that he's defended against 2nd tier and washed up fighters, managing to have avoided many top challengers in his weight class over the last 8 years or so.
You're boring Martin. Boring.
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Originally posted by Bozo_no_noHis "title" is a WBO strap that he's defended against 2nd tier and washed up fighters, managing to have avoided many top challengers in his weight class over the last 8 years or so.
You're boring Martin. Boring.
What Top Super Middleweight has Joe ducked or avoided?
Sven Ottke doesnt count.Comment
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Originally posted by ImSoFlyyyWow, man. You don't take defeat well. Seriously, when you have no further points you go to exaggeration?
Are you counting US boxers as those born in the US or those that fight in the US (i.e. quite a few Mexicans, South Americans, and Puerto Ricans)? Just curious because it seems like the "US" boxing scene is way more of an international one and it would be pretty easy to come up with some top US boxers who supposedly ducked people (including British fighters)...Comment
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When you look at Calzaghe's sub par resume over the last 8 years or so, you notice that he was at Supper Middleweight the entire time, yet managed to miss encounters Sven Ottke, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler, Danny Green, Jeff Lacy.Originally posted by scapWhat Top Super Middleweight has Joe ducked or avoided?
Sven Ottke doesnt count.
Ottke does count, because I don't buy that such a big fight was avaialable (like many others) and that it was completley Ottke's fault it didn't come off.
I always get a list of excuses from Calzaghe's fans about why many of those fights didn't come off. And if it was once or twice I could see it. But when he spent the better portion of his career having fights not come off and missing countless opportunities to face better competition than he did, he loses the benifit of the doubt.
I am still shocked at this announcment at the Lacy fight being signed, and won't believe it until I see them in the ring.Comment
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Originally posted by Bozo_no_noWhen you look at Calzaghe's sub par resume over the last 8 years or so, you notice that he was at Supper Middleweight the entire time, yet managed to miss encounters Sven Ottke, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler, Danny Green, Jeff Lacy.
Ottke does count, because I don't buy that such a big fight was avaialable (like many others) and that it was completley Ottke's fault it didn't come off.
I always get a list of excuses from Calzaghe's fans about why many of those fights didn't come off. And if it was once or twice I could see it. But when he spent the better portion of his career having fights not come off and missing countless opportunities to face better competition than he did, he loses the benifit of the doubt.
I am still shocked at this announcment at the Lacy fight being signed, and won't believe it until I see them in the ring.
First off I am not going to sit here an say that Joe has a great resume because he does not but some of the fighters you have mentioned are comparable and in some cases not as good as some of the foes on big Joe's resume.
Sven Ottke...I think if there was ever a fighter that Joe really truly wanted to fight I beieve it was Ottke-it would have been a complete mismatch.
Eric Lucas...is this a guy that had Joe of beaten you would point to in retrospect and say, "that Lucas victory was a good one"...I doubt it, Joe not fighting Lucas is not soemthing anyone should be concerned/upset with.
Antwun Echols...as I recall Echols was not the one that should have been awarded victory in the clash vs. charles Brewer...if that fight was going to be stopped it should have been stopped in Brewer's favor...Echols geting the KO was robbery...right after this fight Joe Calzaghe fought the more worthy of the two (at least in my mind) Charles Brewer and went toe to toe in one helluva an action packed fight...too bad more people dont talk about this classic!
The Man Mundine...again are we going to say that had he of beaten Mundine we would be pointing to the victory as an impressive 1? I dont think we would be doing so so why since they havent fought should it be any sort of a black mark?
Now, Danny Green...here is an opponent that I would have loved to see get a crack at Joe...I dont know if his battles with Beyer have locked him up in the past couple of years or not but your right the Green fight would have been damn nice!
The fighters you mentioned were towards the top of the division but so were Brewer, so were Sheika, so were Mitchell.
If Joe had Echols, Lucas and Beyer on his hit list you could say Joe never fought Brewer, Sheika or Mitchell.
Thank god the fight has been signed but I like you will believe it when the y step in the ring...Im not naive when it comes to my boy Calzaghe.Comment
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Originally posted by scap
The fighters you mentioned were towards the top of the division but so were Brewer, so were Sheika, so were Mitchell.
If Joe had Echols, Lucas and Beyer on his hit list you could say Joe never fought Brewer, Sheika or Mitchell.
It would have made for a better case if he'd fought Echols, Lucas and Beyer in addition to Brewer, Sheika and Mitchell, and skipped out all together on the Tocker Pudwill's and Mger Mkrtchian's.
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Originally posted by Bozo_no_noIt would have made for a better case if he'd fought Echols, Lucas and Beyer in addition to Brewer, Sheika and Mitchell, and skipped out all together on the Tocker Pudwill's and Mger Mkrtchian's.

Understand there kind sir...
I would have also loved it if Bernard Hopkins had attempted a rematch with Jones Jr., fight Julian Jackson, go after Lamar Parks, take a sniff or two at Benn or McClellan...
Instead we got John David Jackson, Joe Lipsey and Glenn Johnson...things arent perfect and Joe is not the only guy out there with a resume that should have more names then it does on it.Comment
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