Calzaghe and Lacy is on! ..... C'MON!!!!!!!!

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Understand there kind sir...

I would have also loved it if Bernard Hopkins had attempted a rematch with Jones Jr., fight Julian Jackson, go after Lamar Parks, take a sniff or two at Benn or McClellan...

Instead we got John David Jackson, Joe Lipsey and Glenn Johnson...things arent perfect and Joe is not the only guy out there with a resume that should have more names then it does on it.

Hopkins elected to stay at middleweight and break Monzon's record, so I have no problem with him not going after Supper Middleweights.

Hopkins dominated his divison for 10 solid years and is a sure fire Hall of Famer.

Calzaghe missed several fights in his own division, and only held the WBO title.

It's Night and Day compairing those two.

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Hopkins elected to stay at middleweight and break Monzon's record, so I have no problem with him not going after Supper Middleweights.

Hopkins dominated his divison for 10 solid years and is a sure fire Hall of Famer.

Calzaghe missed several fights in his own division, and only held the WBO title.

It's Night and Day compairing those two.

The fighters that I mentioned above are all Super middleweights?

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The fighters that I mentioned above are all Super middleweights?

Come on Scap, do we need to get that detailed?

Benn & Eubank were Supermiddleweights, as was Jones by the end of 95, and McClellen's career was over in 95. Jackson was used goods at that point as well, having been blitzed in the McClellen rematch and knocked out by Quincy Taylor shortly after.

Of those fights you mentioned, the only ones at 160 that would have been possible would have been a Jones rematch and a Jackson or McClellen between 93-95.

Hopkins career was young, he was rebuilding after the Jones loss and he wasn't a marquee fight for any of those guys at that time.

You're starting to nit pick.

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Come on Scap, do we need to get that detailed?

Benn & Eubank were Supermiddleweights, as was Jones by the end of 95, and McClellen's career was over in 95. Jackson was used goods at that point as well, having been blitzed in the McClellen rematch and knocked out by Quincy Taylor shortly after.

Of those fights you mentioned, the only ones at 160 that would have been possible would have been a Jones rematch and a Jackson or McClellen between 93-95.

Hopkins career was young, and he wasn't a marquee fight for any of those guys at that time.

You're starting to nit pick.

Im a nit picker but lets think about this for a second...

How old was Hopkins before he actually took a superfight? (the Jones fight happened far too early)

If you were to play devils advocate on Nards career pre-tito couldnt you spank him around a little bit like Joe Calzaghe and his career?

Just asking you to play devils advocate Bozo...

I think Super Fights may carry with them some sort of addiction as do fighting mediocre fights as well. Joe has been addicted to a bunch of mediocre fights for a long time and so was the GREAT Bernard Hopkins...(I bet Joe would have loved for a couple of superstars to move up in weight and call him out, wouldnt you agree)

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Im a nit picker but lets think about this for a second...

How old was Hopkins before he actually took a superfight? (the Jones fight happened far too early)

If you were to play devils advocate on Nards career pre-tito couldnt you spank him around a little bit like Joe Calzaghe and his career?

Just asking you to play devils advocate Bozo...

I think Super Fights may carry with them some sort of addiction as do fighting mediocre fights as well. Joe has been addicted to a bunch of mediocre fights for a long time and so was the GREAT Bernard Hopkins...(I bet Joe would have loved for a couple of superstars to move up in weight and call him out, wouldnt you agree)

No, I wouldn't agree, because I'm not convinced he would have made the fights. He was pretty good at talking about fighting a number of people, yet in the end he fought largely in the UK agaisnt 2nd rate opposition.

The differece is, that pre Tito (pre unifying all the titles in his division) Hopkins was fighting everyone available at Middleweight after starting his title reign.

Calzaghe can never say that.

Also, you and I both know Hopkins started his career late, and after losing to a Superstar prospect in Roy Jones (a calibre of opponent Calzaghe has never come close to facing) in his 23rd pro fight, he took a few easy fights rebuilding.

Say what you want about Calzahge, but it's a flawed compairison to stack him up with Hopkins or to compair their careers.

One's an assured hall of famer, and one isn't even close.

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No, I wouldn't agree, because I'm not convinced he would have made the fights. He was pretty good at talking about fighting a number of people, yet in the end he fought largely in the UK agaisnt 2nd rate opposition.

The differece is, that pre Tito (pre unifying all the titles in his division) Hopkins was fighting everyone available at Middleweight after starting his title reign.

Calzaghe can never say that.

Also, you and I both know Hopkins started his career late, and after losing to a Superstar prospect in Roy Jones (a calibre of opponent Calzaghe has never come close to facing) in his 23rd pro fight, he took a few easy fights rebuilding.

Say what you want about Calzahge, but it's a flawed compairison to stack him up with Hopkins or to compair their careers.

One's an assured hall of famer, and one isn't even close.

Again Im not naive about my boy Joe and I think your guess is as good as any in terms of Joe making big fights...his track record sucks...that is a fact.

I dont mean to swtich the arguemnt form Calzaghe's resume to Nard's but I do believe that Calzaghe catches too much flack for his long long title reign and Nard get s bit too much credit for his long long long title reign.

I believe the two are comparable in some ways, staying in the same division for life, a bunch of ho hum title defences, late career defining fights etc.

Im will never say that Joe Calzaghe is Bernard Hopkins but Im not one of the big boxinf fans out thee that refuses to look at Bernard Hopkins critically, he is just as fortunate as he is good-most disagree with that but im no lockstepper.

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Again Im not naive about my boy Joe and I think your guess is as good as any in terms of Joe making big fights...his track record sucks...that is a fact.

I dont mean to swtich the arguemnt form Calzaghe's resume to Nard's but I do believe that Calzaghe catches too much flack for his long long title reign and Nard get s bit too much credit for his long long long title reign.

I believe the two are comparable in some ways, staying in the same division for life, a bunch of ho hum title defences, late career defining fights etc.

Im will never say that Joe Calzaghe is Bernard Hopkins but Im not one of the big boxinf fans out thee that refuses to look at Bernard Hopkins critically, he is just as fortunate as he is good-most disagree with that but im no lockstepper.

But Calzaghe won the WBO title (the least credible of the major 4 titles) and defended it very selectivly around several credible challengers and other major title holders in his division.

Hopkins unified the WBA IBF WBC and WBO titles, not avoding anyone.

I don't like the idea of anyone compairing the two reigns when Calzaghe held the weakest strap and never unified.

*IF* Calzaghe even makes it into the ring with Lacy, I will have an ounce or two more respect for him, but like I said there's a lot that can happen before they step in the ring.

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But Calzaghe won the WBO title (the least credible of the major 4 titles) and defended it very selectivly around several credible challengers and other major title holders in his division.

Hopkins unified the WBA IBF WBC and WBO titles, not avoding anyone.

I don't like the idea of anyone compairing the two reigns when Calzaghe held the weakest strap and never unified.

*IF* Calzaghe even makes it into the ring with Lacy, I will have an ounce or two more respect for him, but like I said there's a lot that can happen before they step in the ring.

At the very least you have got to love how Joe Calzaghe fights his opponents.

He talks about using his handspeed and outboxing his opponents but the second he tastes a bit of leather he turns into an animal.

I wonder if he can beat Lacy this way or is he going to follow an unexpected gameplan of stick and move-I do believe his hands are much faster then Lacy's.

One of my fears is that the fight is stopped like it was against Mitchell, I could see a wild brawl breaking out almost immediately and it being very tough to decipher who is landing what...then Lacy getting stunned just like Mitchell and some dumb ****ing ref jumping in a waiving it off.

I hope Shaw and Lacy have got something in the contract that says Kenny Bayless or Joe Cortez will do the fight. If the fight is reffereed correctly it will be a give and take war!

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One of my fears is that the fight is stopped like it was against Mitchell, I could see a wild brawl breaking out almost immediately and it being very tough to decipher who is landing what...then Lacy getting stunned just like Mitchell and some dumb ****ing ref jumping in a waiving it off.

I hope Shaw and Lacy have got something in the contract that says Kenny Bayless or Joe Cortez will do the fight. If the fight is reffereed correctly it will be a give and take war!

I share these concearns with you and have said this before as well.

I hope with the international spotlight being on the fight we won't see any poor reffing taking away a good fight.

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