When was the last time Floyd fought a real threat?

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

Mayweather is so good that he has the same problem that all great fighters have. Finding an opponant of equal skill. Jack Johnson,Ali,Joe Luis,Ray Robinson,Tyson , and roy Jones were all supier fighters that ran through thier division so easy becaause of thier skill level and god given strengths. Mayweather is so much more advance than any one active at this moment. He just make them look like no body, yall must of forgot! Ortiz beat the number one man who was undefeated upon entering the ring in,Berto. Money was out classing him and smiling through the hole fight. Moesly was the most feared man at welterweight based on his outstanding performance against the warrior Margarito. Mayweather smashed the **** out of him, not even a close fight,its was just a straight beat down. Marquez just beat the **** out of Pacquiao, and Money played with him, no need to go on with that, yall already know. Hatton was ranked p4p#3 when Money fought him. Also Hatton was undefeated. Baldimir was an Army tank,, they called him the ciderella man because he was beating the **** out of everynody that he was suppose to lose to, until h fought Money. Say what you want but many felt Baldimir would defeat Money based of his relentless pressure ,hard punching and granite chin, and will to win. Money smashed him. Judah was a beast , still young,southpaw, really a nightmare for anyone at that time. Money smashed him. Carrles another killer, undefeated ranked p4p #2 at the time money whipped that a$$. I could go on and on. All of these guys were champions, in thier prime. Oscar dela hoya was the middle weight champion, many said he was 170 + pounds on fight night. He would not get on the scales to reveal his edge over Mayweather. Money smashed him. Keep Hating lil boy! Little do you know thats the fuel that feeds the fire burning in Mayweathers heart!

[AlwaysOnTop]

+1

baldomir?

hell when has floyd actually been relevant exceot with his mouth
he's like the mini-me david haye

pac took huge risks with cotto, marg
heck even oscar was considered way too big for him- then haters blamed weight drain-
they love to hate because they cant give props to someone else

Pac didn't take any huge risks....Cotto and Marge were already KTFO when Fanny Sue fought them..

"Cotto is damaged goods".......Freddy Roach


Ortiz at 147 is more of a risk than JMM at 147...

[SplitSecond]

ortiz was gonna be a great fight, the sucker punch ruined it all though, people(nutsuckers) say floyd would just start to dominate after rd 4 anyway like he always does and likely ko ortiz but that's just wishful thinking, i wanted to see it, and i can't give him much credit for that fight the way it ended

[AlwaysOnTop]

Before Mayweather fought Mosley everyone said he was scared to fight him. When the contract was signed everyone said Mosley would be his toughest test to date. After the fight was over everyone said Mosley was over the hill.

After Ortiz beat Berto, most people, Bob Arum included, said that Mayweather would never fight him because hes scared of southpaws. When Ortiz went on video and said he was reviewing the contract, people didn't believe him. When the contract was signed people said "Mayweathers first legit threat in years", while Bob Arum suddenly changed his tune to "I can't believe Golden boy would put Ortiz in there with Mayweather". After he beat him it went to "Mayweather is a cherry picker".

You'll find similar comments/videos with basically any fighter that Mayweather has fought over the years. It'll be the same thing regardless of whoever he fights next - even if its Pacquiao or Martinez.

I remember trainers,writers,and posters...all claiming:

"Floyd doesn't have enough pop to keep Gatti off him"

"Mayweather will duck Carlos Baldomir"....Brian Kenny

[thatnickuh]

ortiz was gonna be a great fight, the sucker punch ruined it all though, people(nutsuckers) say floyd would just start to dominate after rd 4 anyway like he always does and likely ko ortiz but that's just wishful thinking, i wanted to see it, and i can't give him much credit for that fight the way it ended

Good thing that your "credit" is meaningless. Still don't get you people who whine about the "sucker punch" as if Mayeather is responsible for Ortiz inexplicably having his hands down during a live boxing match. Hate is truly a powerful emotion.

[4Corners]

I love these Floyd haters saying Oscar and Margarito were HUGE threats to Pac, but Floyd actually fighting Oscar 1 1/2 years before Manny and actually at 154, and actually when Oscar was coming off a huge KO win over Mayorga, was not a threat AT ALL.

How was Victor Ortiz not a threat??? When that fight was first announced, almost everyone involved with boxing was saying that's a real test for Floyd. Victor's in his prime, coming off 5 striaght wins (one over previously unbeaten Berto) and a draw he should have won over highly rated Peterson (which now looks that much better), and out weighed Floyd by 14 lbs on fight night. How was that not a threat??? By beating Berto, he'd established himself as the top WW not named Manny or Floyd. Also, it should be noted that after Ortiz beat Berto, he said he wanted tofight Manny Pacquiao next, but then Pac chose to fight a 38 years old Marquez, who was alreadyd ominated at that weight over 2 years ago by Floyd. God knows that if Pac had chose to fight Ortiz, all you Floyd haters would have said "My god, Ortiz is huge, much bigger than Pac, he's a legit threat", and you guys know it's true.

I admit that Shane Mosley was past his prime, but was he not coming off KO wins over Mayorga and Margarito??? Was it Floyd's fault that Shane didn't fight for like 14 months going into the fight with him??? Also, it should be noted that Manny Pacquiao straight up refused to fight Mosley in 2009 and 2010, demanding a 142 lb CW, but Floyd fights him and gets s**t on. Then, Manny fights him a year after Floyd and when Shane was coming off a loss to Floyd and a draw with Sergio Mora (really?), beat him, and gets credit. S**t's hilarious.

Don't even give me the whole "Floyd came in at 146 instead of 144, that's why he beat Marquez". If you actually believe those 2 lbs were the reason Floyd beat Marquez in pretty much a shut out, then you're the epitome of a bias Floyd hater and nothing more. Floyd DOMINATED a past prime-still good Marquez that gave Pacquiao hell once again over 2 years later. How is that not a good win after seeing what Marquez was able to do with Pac last month??? If Marquez at 144 arguably beat Pac, than how was Marquez not a threat to Floyd at 144, especially when Floyd beat him over 2 years ago when he was considered better than he is today??? How was that not a threat???

How was Ricky Hatton, the #4 P4P, unbeaten, not a threat??? The Floyd haters will continue to say "Hatton was not a threat, ****** at 147", though he'd been at 147 before his fight with Floyd. Did you want Floyd to move back down to 140 lbs and fight Hatton in 2007??? Really??? But, then again, after Hatton was KO'd by Floyd, and looked like crap against Lazcano and Malignaggi, he was all of a sudden built up as this huge threat to Pac 2 years after being KO'd by Floyd. So, if he was 2 years later and when he was past his prime-still good when he got to Manny, how was he not a threat in his prime against Floyd???

Again, if someone is really going to sit here and say Oscar in 2008 at 145 lbs, a weight he hadn't been at in 8 years, was a threat for Manny because he was so much bigger, was a threat.....how was he not a threat to Floyd at 154 lbs, coming off a huge KO win over Mayorga, and when he easily out weighed Floyd by over 10 lbs that night???

Baldomir was no threat, but at least he hadn't lost in 8 yerars and was coming off a huge win over a prime Zab Judah. And Floyd fought Judah in his prime, the only time Floyd fought a big fight with a guy coming off a loss, so was Judah no threat to anyone???

I say it time and time again.....examin both Manny and Floyd and where each of there opponents were when they fought them.

Manfredy (coming off a win over a prime Gatti, hadn't lost in 4 years), Corrales (unbeaten, #5 P4P), C. Hernandez (hadn't lost in like 4-5 years, would go on to fight Morales and be a world champ), J. Chavez (hadn't lost in 4 years, would go on to fight Morales and be a world champ), Castillo I (hadn't lost in like 4-5 years, coming off big win over Johnston), Castillo II (immediate rematch), N'dou (hadn't lost in like 7 years, top rated contender), Judah (coming off loss to Baldomir, only big fight with a guy coming off a loss), Hatton (unbeaten, #4 P4P, coming off big wins), and Ortiz (coming off 5 straight wins (1 over berto) and a draw he should've won over Peterson) were all in their primes or latter-primes when Floyd fought them.

G. Hernandez (hadn't lost in 3 years since losing to a prime Oscar) and Marquez (only losses in recent memory were controversial L's to John and Pac, many thought he won) were past their primes-still good when Floyd fought them.

Gatti (hadn't lost in 3 years, 5 stright wins), Baldomir (hadn't lost in 8 years, coming off huge win over Judah), De La Hoya (lost to Hopkins in 04', came back in 06' and KO'd Mayorga to be the top SWW), and Mosley (coming off KO wins over Mayorga and Margarito) were past their primes when Floyd fought them.

So, in Floyd's big fights, 10 of his opponents were in their prime, 2 were past their prime-still good, and 4 were past their primes. Lets look at Manny's.

Ledwaba (hadn't lost in 8 years), Lucero (unbeaten), Barrera I (hadn't lost in 3 years, coming off wins over Morales and Hamed), Marquez I (DRAW, hadn't lost in 5 years), Morales I (LOSS, coming off loss to Barrera), and Solis (unbeaten) were all in their primes or latter-primes when Manny fought them.

Morales II (coming off loss to Raheem), Larios (coming off loss to Vazquez), Morales III (immediate rematch), Marquez II (only loss recently had been a controversial one to John), Diaz (hadn't lost in 3 years), Hatton (coming off loss to Floyd, and 2 sub-par fights against Lazcano and Malignaggi), and Cotto (coming off KO loss to Margarito and awful fight with Clottey) were all past their prime-still good when Manny fought them.

Barrera II (coming off loss to Marquez), De La Hoya (coming off loss to Floyd and sub-par fight with Forbes, at 145 lb CW), Clottey (hadn't won a fight in over 2 years), Margarito (coming off KO loss to Mosley), Mosley (coming off loss to Floyd and horrible draw with Mora), and Marquez III (hadn't lost in 2 years since losing to Floyd) were all past their primes when Manny fought them.

So, in Manny's big fights, 6 were in their primes (Manny lost one and had a draw), 7 were past their prime-still good, and 6 were past their prime.

Also, if you note what each fighter had done going into the fights, in Manny's big fights, 10 of them were against opponents coming off big losses and crappy outings prior to Manny fighting them. Only 1 of Floyd's big fights was against an opponent coming off a loss or a terrible fight, Judah, and at least he was in his prime when Floyd fought him.

So, how has Floyd not taken risks???

[4Corners]

I remember trainers,writers,and posters...all claiming:

"Floyd doesn't have enough pop to keep Gatti off him"

"Mayweather will duck Carlos Baldomir"....Brian Kenny

Thank you! People always change their tune on Floyd's opponents after he fights them.

G. Hernandez- Before the fight: "Hernandez has only lost once, 3 years ago against De La Hoya. He's the top Featherweight, a tough test for the young Floyd". After the fight: "Hernandez was old and past it".

Manfredy- Before the fight: "Manfredy just beat Arturo Gatti, one of the top fighters. He'll be a huge test for Floyd in his first title defense". After the fight: "Manfredy was never really that good anyway".

Corrales- Before the fight: "Corrales is unbeaten, top ten P4P. The top 2 130 lb fighters in the world going at it". After the fight: "Corrales was exposed, was never that good".

Castillo I- Before the fight: "Castillo is a tough test for Floyd, much bigger and has relentless pressure". After the fight: "Castillo was robbed, Floyd will avoid the rematch".

Castillo II- Before the fight: "Castillo arguably beat Floyd the first time, has a real shot to beat him again, the top 2 135 lb fighters in the world". After the fight: "Castillo was never that great, Floyd exposed him".

N'dou (People really need to look back in time and remember this one)- Before the fight: "N'dou is a top contender, a real threat to Floyd, hasn't lost in like 7 years". After the fight: "N'dou was no threat, a real cherry pick for Floyd".

Gatti- Before the fight: "Gatti has much more power than Floyd, hasn't lost in over 3 years since being upset by Ward, a real challenge at 140 for Floyd". After the fight: Gatti was to slow for Floyd, no match, he was way past it".

Judah- Before the fight: "Judah is Floyd's equal in speed, and he's a southpaw, something Floyd struggles with. A real test for Floyd at 147". After the fight: "Judah was out classed by Floyd, never really that good".

Baldomir- Before the fight: "Baldomir has relentless pressure, something Floyd struggled with against Castillo, and Carlos just beat Zab Judah too". After the fight: "Baldomir was too slow and old, he was past it".

De La Hoya- Before the fight: "Oscar just beat Mayroga, and is the top dog at 154 lbs. Oscar will out weigh Floyd and pressure him. A big risk to go to 154 lbs for this fight". After the fight: "Oscar was past it, no match for Floyd".

Hatton- Before the fight: "Hatton is top ten P4P, unbeaten, has relentless pressure. One of Floyd's toughest tests in his career". After the fight: "Hatton ****** at 147, Floyd picked on a smaller guy".

Marquez- Before the fight: "Marquez is #2 P4P, only losses recently have come to John and Pac, where he arguably won. A tough fight for Floyd's first in 21 months". After the fight: "Marquez was cheated on the scales and was past it".

Mosley- Before the fight: "Floyd seemed to be ducking Shane, and this is Floyd's toughest test in a few years, with Shane coming off big wins over Mayroga and Margarito". After the fight: "Shane was past it, ******".

Ortiz- Before the fight: "Ortiz is a real test for Floyd, just beat highly rated Andre Berto, and shoud have won over highly rated Peterson. Young, in his prime, 5 straight wins, a real test for Floyd". After the fight: "Ortiz was never that good anyway".

Also, it should be noted that Mosley was top 10 P4P as well, after beating Margartito, when Floyd fought him.

People always change their tune with Floyd's opponents. I have no doubt that if Floyd beats Manny or Sergio, it will be because Manny was smaller than Floyd and because Sergio was exposed and never that good anyway. No doubt about it.

[WESS]

Ricky Hatton, De La Hoya, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz... just to name a recent few.

I know, I know I left out the LW in JMM that Pac went life and death with 3X and STILL couldn't do it convincingly.

[Vadrigar.]

Ricky Hatton, De La Hoya, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz... just to name a recent few.

I know, I know I left out the LW in JMM that Pac went life and death with 3X and STILL couldn't do it convincingly.

None of those are legitimate threats.

[WESS]

He sucker punched Ortiz who lost to a bum Maidana.
He came overweight to beat a lightweight Marquez.
He fought a 1 year and 3 months rusty over trained Mosley.
He fought a light welterweight to his best division welterweight.
Oscar?
Baldomir?
Judah?
Mitchell?
Gatti?
Bruseless?
Corley?
Ndou?
Sosa?

LMAO!

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