Comments Thread For: Ward Rips Bute: He's Been Fighting B and C Level Guys

[turbotime]

come on man, u got haters are gonna hate and what are u doing right now, did Ward not have to fight Abraham and Froch? how else was he gonna win the tournament? Bute fought guys he chose and in his own backyard, not knockin the guy but he has nothing on Wards achievements, i hope they fight, it would be good and a fight i would love to see but how anyone can discredit what Ward has done is amazing

People need to see things for what they are. There is far too much Bute hate going on in here, when he was not invited to participate in the tournament. How is that his fault? I just have a hard time saying Ward's resume is THAT much better than Bute's, when really they have won all of the fights they were supposed to win.

Abraham lost around 22 of the 23 rounds he fought in the 2 fights before fighting Ward. Ward was fighting a bum in Abraham, sorry.

[ssop]

Jean Pascal wanted to fight him and he turned that down.

The bottom line is that whether it was Cloud, Pavlik, Kessler, or Pascal there was always some reason why those fights couldn't be made. While matchups with Jesse Brinkley and Brian Magee could.

Look in the dictionary what means mandatory.
And dont you think that Ward as to fight the IBF champion to claim to be #1.
And Pascal and Cloud are 175 .
Bute had fun fighting the semi-finalist Johnson where Froch had a very hard time with.
And before Bute fought Johnson, Ward claim to fight Bute and now he does'nt want.
If Ward want to be what he is claiming, he as to fight Bute who even said he was ready to go in California.

[BoxingGenius27]

Look in the dictionary what means mandatory.
And dont you think that Ward as to fight the IBF champion to claim to be #1.
And Pascal and Cloud are 175 .
Bute had fun fighting the semi-finalist Johnson where Froch had a very hard time with.
And before Bute fought Johnson, Ward claim to fight Bute and now he does'nt want.
If Ward want to be what he is claiming, he as to fight Bute who even said he was ready to go in California.

Why are you mentioning 175 as if Team Bute weren't negotiating to fight Cloud?

They were suppose to fight at a catchweight and Cloud didn't have a problem with it; Bute didn't have a problem with it. So why are you mentioning 175 as if there was a problem?

The bottom line with Bute is, there were fighters at 160 and 175 that were more than willing to fight Bute at a catchweight and for some reason, the fights were never made. Even Pavlik was willing, but at the time, he didn't feel his purse was enough.

[BoxingGenius27]

He ducked Bute and he also, cancelled the fight he had before the Bute fight was suppose to happend.

WTF r you on son? Pavlik when full ****** and cancelled a show with a week to go in his hometown and flat out turn Bute down, to comne months later crying and begging Bob to take him back!!

You call it full ******, but the way I see it is this. Pavlik was use to receiving a certain % of shares. Pavlik didn't look at himself as a gatekeeper at this point in his career. Granted he lost to Hopkins and Martinez, but he didn't see himself as a gatekeeper.

Based on what the fight could've made, Pavlik didn't see himself only making 1.5, or whatever the total that he was suppose to make was. If you want to call that "ducking" ok, but some other people call it negotiating in a business.

But, first I think you need to go re-read those articles and interviews by Pavlik at the time. Based on some of your comments, I don't think you fully understood what was going on in.

[BoxingGenius27]

Cloud can barely make 175, let alone a catchweight lower than that.

I say Bute should fight Froch and Ward should rematch Kessler the winner meeting each others!! and losers can fight each other too!

So now you're speaking for Team Cloud? They already agreed on the catchweight with Bute, then here you come telling us what Cloud can and can't do.

Secondly, Ward doesn't "have" to fight anyone. He won the SS fair and square. Bute, Kessler, Pavlik, Froch, Dirrel and anyone else that wants to challenge Ward (especially Bute), should earn the right to fight for the title and fight each other first.

[MrSillery]

[QUOTE=Hitman932;11577451]Bute has already thrown up roadblocks to a Ward fight. He insists on NYC because it's actually a short drive from Montreal and would be an easy trip for his fans and difficuly trip to make for Wards.
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Roadblocks?

Difficult trip for Ward? More difficult than the trip to Atlantic City for the final of the S6???

Last time i checked, NYC was in the US... not in Canada.

Let's see it the other way, if the fight was held in Vancouver, would you say that it's a short drive from Oakland and a difficult trip for Bute or you would still say that Bute is staying at home??

[MrSillery]

[QUOTE=BoxingGenius27;11577478]
Bute didn't want to pay Pavlik the money he wanted. Bute basically priced himself out.[QUOTE]

Pavlik was offered 1,300,000$
More than any othre adversary of Bute (Jonhson was offered 600 000$) and more than Ward's make at the S6 (900,000$ Source : Ring Magazine )

Bute hasn't priced him out.
A MW guy, coming out from rehab, whitout a title, isn't even worth 1,300,000$). Pavlik probably used the mone as an excuse...

[MrSillery]

I thought Green was a right selection.

I'm not to sure on Johnson.

Johnson KO Green.
So if Green was a right selection, Johnson was a right selection too.
And Johnson gave more trouble to Froch than Abraham

[BoxingGenius27]

Johnson KO Green.
So if Green was a right selection, Johnson was a right selection too.
And Johnson gave more trouble to Froch than Abraham

No, you're wrong. I won't even count the boxing math you tried to use. But let's talk about it.

At the time Green was allowed to enter the tourny, he had only 1 loss to Miranda in which he had some kind of major disease leading up to the fight. Green was also coming off a big win against Simms and KO over De Leon.

When Johnson was allowed to enter the tourny, he was like 1-1 in his last 2 fights. I think he had like 14 losses or something. Two different fighters at the time.

[MrSillery]

No, you're wrong. I won't even count the boxing math you tried to use. But let's talk about it.

At the time Green was allowed to enter the tourny, he had only 1 loss to Miranda in which he had some kind of major disease leading up to the fight. Green was also coming off a big win against Simms and KO over De Leon.

When Johnson was allowed to enter the tourny, he was like 1-1 in his last 2 fights. I think he had like 14 losses or something. Two different fighters at the time.

I'm not saying that Green was a bad replacement. I'm saying that Johnson wasn't a bad choice either.

He was 1-1, but that loss came against a champion at LH.

If we apply your logic, Jonhson was a better choice than Taylor 1-2 in his last 2 fights before S6