Were the past greats really that great!?

[shadeyfizzle]

There's not a Heavy today that moves as well as Joe Louis...not even close..

Believe me...

He would not be considered a plodder..especially with lumbering slow-motion robots like the Klits around to make him look even better.

Go look at some of Joe's fights on youtube...

IT'S LIKE WATCHING A CAT...!!

I agree with you. But the topic was old school vs modern, not just then vs now. The brown bomber would look like slow motion vs holyfield, tyson, holmes, etc. same goes for the likes of tunney, dempsey, johnson, liston, and to a lesser degree, charles and patterson.

So back to the topic. Now that we've established that it really wasnt all that different back then...what exactly makes past greats so much more superior than modern era greats like historians suggest??? I honestly dont see any reason why they couldnt compete on an even level as past greats.

[Pin Galarga]

History can't be erase, don't matter how much anybody tries. The Great ones will remain GREAT.

[IronDanHamza]

everyone is getting off topic. The thread has nothing to do with diet, nutrition, who couls go for longer.

Its simply about boxing technique. I completly agree with the people on this board that are saying olden day fighters were much more conditioned than todays fighters. But were they better boxers?? thats the question.

Argubaly.

Harold Johnson is a better boxer than any Light Heavyweight today.

Robinson is a better boxer than any Middleweight today.

Kid Gavilan is more skilled and a better boxer than any Welterweight today perhaps other than Mayweather.

Eder Jofre is more skilled than any Bantamweight today. Including Moreno.

Willie Pep is more skilled than any Featherweight today.

And the list goes on.

And these comparisons are at the very least argubale.

[any craic lad?]

Skip that part of my post and respond to the other part...

You know what when its all laid out in front off you ya ill admit there aint that much difference im probably too much off a modern generation fan

[hearnsfan86]

Yes they were better..

Today's fighters can't even fight on the inside..!!!

Look at.....Pacman...Berto...Canelo...Khan...They can't fight on the inside worth a shi.t...........LOL..........


Fighters don't BOB N WEAVE anymore..

That is a lost art......GONE....!

One of the most effective styles(especially at heavyweight)......VANISHED........!

Fighters from the past had to deal with an array of styles..it's not like that anymore..

Thats part of the debate aswell though. The technique of boxing has changed so that an entire fight isnt spent on the inside. Boxing is alot more about contolling distance and boxing on the outside, being clever and picking off your opponent, which was practically unheard of until willie pep showed how boxing wasnt all about toughness and brute strength

Yes olden boxers would have an advantage on the inside game, but what would they do if they couldnt get to the other man like a mayweather jr!?

[AlwaysOnTop]

Is Wladimir a plodder!? he certainly wasnt against haye. If you watch the fight with haye that jab was blindingly fast. and i knoww haye was overmatched, but it doesnt change the fact that klitchko is alot faster and accurate than alot of people give him credit for. A heavyweight truly underappreciated in our time because of the state of heavyweight boxing. Klitchko would have held his own agasint any heavyweight of any era in my opinion

Vlad is the essence of a plodder...

He should be on the cover of plodder magazine and plodder's digest..

His jab was blindingly fast...Cmon it's predictable...and it drops to his WAIST..

There are guys like Tyson...Dempsey...Frazier...Quarrey...that would be all over him soon as that jab dropped..

Chris Byrd and Ross Purity MADE THEM QUIT....!!!

Corey Sanders....a part time GOLFER SLAMMED Vlad...

The Klits are fighting in the WEAKEST ERA EVER and they still managed to get KTFO or forced to QUIT on their stools.

Both Klits PULL STRAIGHT BACK and they keep their feet too far apart..that limits their defensive options...in other words it makes them SITTING DUCKS.

[hearnsfan86]

Vlad is the essence of a plodder...

He should be on the cover of plodder magazine and plodder's digest..

His jab was blindingly fast...Cmon it's predictable...and it drops to his WAIST..

There are guys like Tyson...Dempsey...Frazier...Quarrey...that would be all over him soon as that jab dropped..

Chris Byrd and Ross Purity MADE THEM QUIT....!!!

Corey Sanders....a part time GOLFER SLAMMED Vlad...

The Klits are fighting in the WEAKEST ERA EVER and they still managed to get KTFO or forced to QUIT on their stools.

Both Klits PULL STRAIGHT BACK and they keep their feet too far apart..that limits their defensive options...in other words it makes them SITTING DUCKS.

The klitchkos you are referring to are the old klitchkos, ya have to admit they are alot better now. as for holding his hand low, its obviously a technique taught by manny steward, one that he passed onto tommy hearns with great effect.

[AlwaysOnTop]

Thats part of the debate aswell though. The technique of boxing has changed so that an entire fight isnt spent on the inside. Boxing is alot more about contolling distance and boxing on the outside, being clever and picking off your opponent, which was practically unheard of until willie pep showed how boxing wasnt all about toughness and brute strength

Yes olden boxers would have an advantage on the inside game, but what would they do if they couldnt get to the other man like a mayweather jr!?

Yeah but Today's guys don't fight on the outside too well either....surely not well enough to keep a mofo like Jack Demspey or Henry Armstrong off their as.s..


These guys today aren't clever...not even close to it..

Floyd and a few others.........yes.......all the rest are just hacking...

JMM is considered smart and Floyd made him look like a chimp..

WHY...??

Because

Floyd

IS

AN

OLD

SCHOOL

FIGHTER

From a fighting family......from the midwest......a hot-bed of talent...


Floyd is not a modern fighter....don't include him with his peers..

[boxer.exposed]

Great boxer of the fast were overrated in some degree. Every living things evolved for the best of their species then you add today's better training techniques, recorded videos to analyze, study the fights and better nutrition. Boxers of this era really has a change to beat those boxers.

[hearnsfan86]

Yeah but Today's guys don't fight on the outside too well either....surely not well enough to keep a mofo like Jack Demspey or Henry Armstrong off their as.s..


These guys today aren't clever...not even close to it..

Floyd and a few others.........yes.......all the rest are just hacking...

JMM is considered smart and Floyd made him look like a chimp..

WHY...??

Because Floyd

IS

AN

OLD

SCHOOL

FIGHTER

From a fighting family......from the midwest......a hot-bed of talent...


Floyd is not a modern fighter....don't include him with his peers..

Name me one olden day fighter ( from before the 50s ) that fights like floyd with the philly shell defense, the shoulder rolling, the pot shotting.