Comments Thread For: George Foreman on Pacquiao's Rise, Mayweather Fight

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Marquez fought a different fight with Manny than compared to those others you named. Marquez was not as aggressive with Manny and mainly scored countering Manny. If Marquez fought like he did those other guys you mentioned then Marquez would probably hit that canvas.

Marquez played it smart but too safe if you ask me.

Now just because Manny barely wins instead of clearly destroys Marquez you call Manny a fraud? Marquez came very prepared for the Manny fight. He was basically training for at least half of the year for his fight with Manny. You should be congratulating Marquez for another tough fight instead of calling Manny a fraud.

If Manny needs to destroy everyone he beats then what do you think of Floyd's WW fights? Even the fraud Manny did better than Floyd with most of them!

- So what was Floyd's problem in fighting to a SD against a part time, can't pull the trigger no more Oscar?

- Why did Floyd struggle the first half of the fight against a carreer 140lbs fighter named Hatton?

- Why did we not hear the gassed out, inactive Mosley say to his trainer that he wanted to quit when he fought Floyd?

- Why couldn't Floyd destroy the unprepared, bloated Marquez at 146lbs?

- Why does Floyd continually fight either old rusty opponents (Mosley & Oscar) or guys who have hardly fought at 147 (Marquez, Hatton, Ortiz, Sharmba)? Imagine, I just named 6 of Floyd's 8 WW opponents!!! .... and the other 2 names are no-name Baldomir and the guy who lost to Baldomir ... lol!

How can you see Manny one way but you can't see or say it for Floyd?

I'm not even going to compare Oscar/Hatton/Mosley that Floyd fought to the ones Pac fought because clearly there was a difference. All I can say is what makes Manny Pacquiao a fraud is that Roach said Manny has improved and would KO Marquez and he didn't. AFTER Pac and his team had an excuse about "cramps" Ariza said GOD couldn't save Marquez and then later said Pac had cramps. FRAUD. ****m was going to stop Mosley against Floyd. You are trying your hardest to disregard Oscar/Hatton/Mosley but Pac fought them after AND Pac didn't even beat the top WW in the division. Floyd beat two champions coming off impressive wins (Mosley/Ortiz) no matter what you think of them they were much more regarded than Cotto (who struggled against Clottey), Clottey (Who lost against Cotto), Mosley (Who got shut out and dominated by Floyd and look horrible and got a draw against Mora). What has Pac really done at WW that Floyd hasn't beside put more action into his fights and Clottey/Mosley were boring. Floyd became the Lineal champion at WW by beating Baldomir and technically Mosley. Pac has fought fighters coming off of tough fights or loses at catchweights. Again I ask you.... what is so great about that? Floyd is considered higher as a Jr Lightweight than Manny. Fought tougher fights at Lightweight than Pac (David Diaz) please. Floyd fought more at JW. I give Pac the Hatton fight because Ricky was the champion. Bob Arum said Manny Pacquiao is pure entertainment and nobody comes to his fights in hopes to see his oponents win but rather to see Manny perform and here you are trying to persuade me that Pac ain't a fraud. Laughable

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I'm not even going to compare Oscar/Hatton/Mosley that Floyd fought to the ones Pac fought because clearly there was a difference. All I can say is what makes Manny Pacquiao a fraud is that Roach said Manny has improved and would KO Marquez and he didn't. AFTER Pac and his team had an excuse about "cramps" Ariza said GOD couldn't save Marquez and then later said Pac had cramps. FRAUD. ****m was going to stop Mosley against Floyd. You are trying your hardest to disregard Oscar/Hatton/Mosley but Pac fought them after AND Pac didn't even beat the top WW in the division. Floyd beat two champions coming off impressive wins (Mosley/Ortiz) no matter what you think of them they were much more regarded than Cotto (who struggled against Clottey), Clottey (Who lost against Cotto), Mosley (Who got shut out and dominated by Floyd and look horrible and got a draw against Mora). What has Pac really done at WW that Floyd hasn't beside put more action into his fights and Clottey/Mosley were boring. Floyd became the Lineal champion at WW by beating Baldomir and technically Mosley. Pac has fought fighters coming off of tough fights or loses at catchweights. Again I ask you.... what is so great about that? Floyd is considered higher as a Jr Lightweight than Manny. Fought tougher fights at Lightweight than Pac (David Diaz) please. Floyd fought more at JW. I give Pac the Hatton fight because Ricky was the champion. Bob Arum said Manny Pacquiao is pure entertainment and nobody comes to his fights in hopes to see his oponents win but rather to see Manny perform and here you are trying to persuade me that Pac ain't a fraud. Laughable

Hatton was almost KO'd at 140 by juan Lozcano...a LIGHTWEIGHT...

"Hatton isn't the same since losing to Mayweather"...Freddy Roach

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I'm not even going to compare Oscar/Hatton/Mosley that Floyd fought to the ones Pac fought because clearly there was a difference. All I can say is what makes Manny Pacquiao a fraud is that Roach said Manny has improved and would KO Marquez and he didn't. AFTER Pac and his team had an excuse about "cramps" Ariza said GOD couldn't save Marquez and then later said Pac had cramps. FRAUD. ****m was going to stop Mosley against Floyd. You are trying your hardest to disregard Oscar/Hatton/Mosley but Pac fought them after AND Pac didn't even beat the top WW in the division. Floyd beat two champions coming off impressive wins (Mosley/Ortiz) no matter what you think of them they were much more regarded than Cotto (who struggled against Clottey), Clottey (Who lost against Cotto), Mosley (Who got shut out and dominated by Floyd and look horrible and got a draw against Mora). What has Pac really done at WW that Floyd hasn't beside put more action into his fights and Clottey/Mosley were boring. Floyd became the Lineal champion at WW by beating Baldomir and technically Mosley. Pac has fought fighters coming off of tough fights or loses at catchweights. Again I ask you.... what is so great about that? Floyd is considered higher as a Jr Lightweight than Manny. Fought tougher fights at Lightweight than Pac (David Diaz) please. Floyd fought more at JW. I give Pac the Hatton fight because Ricky was the champion. Bob Arum said Manny Pacquiao is pure entertainment and nobody comes to his fights in hopes to see his oponents win but rather to see Manny perform and here you are trying to persuade me that Pac ain't a fraud. Laughable

Why can't you?

Oscar: Floyd fought a slightly better Oscar but Roach, Oscar's trainer, said he can't pull the trigger no more. Plus we all know that at that point Oscar is just considered a part time boxer, at best. Still Floyd does a SD with that Oscar. NOT IMPRESSIVE due to the reasons that I stated. Still, Manny was the heavy underdog and he came thru with flying colors!

Hatton: Even Hatton stated that he was king at 140 not at 147. edge to Manny

Mosley: Was inactive for almost 1.5 years against Floyd and old. Was active but 1 year older with Manny. So it was practically the same Mosley ... but Manny KD Mosley and had him running for the fist time in his career!
By the way, ****m saw that Mosley was gassed out against Floyd. So he was concerned for Mosley's well-being BUT had nothing to do with what Floyd was doing to him!!! Against Manny, Mosley (not Naz) was running scared!!! Big difference!!!


Funny how you state Clottey/Mosley were boring but then you mention Baldomir vs Floyd in the next sentence like as if I should be impressed. In those fights, people booed Clottey/Mosley and Floyd NOT Manny! See the difference?


Possibly you don't know the meaning of fraud because you have yet to show me anything that indicates that. NOTHING! Maybe you should replace fraud with HATE!!!

So I see for you, Ortiz was an impressive win but for me it was an unsportsmanlike SUCKER PUNCH against a naive Ortiz!!!!

Please tell me how many WW fights did Marquez, Hatton, Sharmba & Ortiz have before they fought Floyd at WW?

Was Oscar & Mosley even close to prime when they fought Floyd?

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Why can't you?

Oscar: Floyd fought a slightly better Oscar but Roach, Oscar's trainer, said he can't pull the trigger no more. Plus we all know that at that point Oscar is just considered a part time boxer, at best. Still Floyd does a SD with that Oscar. NOT IMPRESSIVE due to the reasons that I stated. Still, Manny was the heavy underdog and he came thru with flying colors!

Hatton: Even Hatton stated that he was king at 140 not at 147. edge to Manny

Mosley: Was inactive for almost 1.5 years against Floyd and old. Was active but 1 year older with Manny. So it was practically the same Mosley ... but Manny KD Mosley and had him running for the fist time in his career!
By the way, ****m saw that Mosley was gassed out against Floyd. So he was concerned for Mosley's well-being BUT had nothing to do with what Floyd was doing to him!!! Against Manny, Mosley (not Naz) was running scared!!! Big difference!!!


Funny how you state Clottey/Mosley were boring but then you mention Baldomir vs Floyd in the next sentence like as if I should be impressed. In those fights, people booed Clottey/Mosley and Floyd NOT Manny! See the difference?


Possibly you don't know the meaning of fraud because you have yet to show me anything that indicates that. NOTHING! Maybe you should replace fraud with HATE!!!

So I see for you, Ortiz was an impressive win but for me it was an unsportsmanlike SUCKER PUNCH against a naive Ortiz!!!!

Please tell me how many WW fights did Marquez, Hatton, Sharmba & Ortiz have before they fought Floyd at WW?

Was Oscar & Mosley even close to prime when they fought Floyd?

good points... green coming up

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My thing is. How come Freddie Roach didn't know that Juan Manuel Marquez would be a tough fight for Manny Pacquiao? Wasn't he there for the other fights? I'm not even a so called world class trainer but I knew that the fight wouldn't be easy but Roach didn't? He didn't study or help Pac improve on the style that has given him the most trouble throughout his whole career? What are they paying Freddie Roach for? He totally underestimated Marquez. Whic allowed the world to see that Manny did not improve but rather exposed compared to how he has been promoted. the difference between Floyd and Pac is that Floyd has and always will be a great boxer. Pac has been a very good fighter but not a great boxer. Bob Arum and Freddie Roach made Pac out to be this improved fighter but he wasn't and that's why everyone was so disappointed after JMM.

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Grustler defending floyd and gettin owned again.....
Damn just say you hate pac and stop making like your not biased

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Why can't you?

Oscar: Floyd fought a slightly better Oscar but Roach, Oscar's trainer, said he can't pull the trigger no more. Plus we all know that at that point Oscar is just considered a part time boxer, at best. Still Floyd does a SD with that Oscar. NOT IMPRESSIVE due to the reasons that I stated. Still, Manny was the heavy underdog and he came thru with flying colors!

Hatton: Even Hatton stated that he was king at 140 not at 147. edge to Manny

Mosley: Was inactive for almost 1.5 years against Floyd and old. Was active but 1 year older with Manny. So it was practically the same Mosley ... but Manny KD Mosley and had him running for the fist time in his career!
By the way, ****m saw that Mosley was gassed out against Floyd. So he was concerned for Mosley's well-being BUT had nothing to do with what Floyd was doing to him!!! Against Manny, Mosley (not Naz) was running scared!!! Big difference!!!


Funny how you state Clottey/Mosley were boring but then you mention Baldomir vs Floyd in the next sentence like as if I should be impressed. In those fights, people booed Clottey/Mosley and Floyd NOT Manny! See the difference?


Possibly you don't know the meaning of fraud because you have yet to show me anything that indicates that. NOTHING! Maybe you should replace fraud with HATE!!!

So I see for you, Ortiz was an impressive win but for me it was an unsportsmanlike SUCKER PUNCH against a naive Ortiz!!!!

Please tell me how many WW fights did Marquez, Hatton, Sharmba & Ortiz have before they fought Floyd at WW?

Was Oscar & Mosley even close to prime when they fought Floyd?

And Roach still made the fight happen. Slightly better? Oscar was the WBC 154 champion and Floyd moved up and fought Oscar for his belt without a catchweight weighing 148 while Oscar out weight him by 12LBs. Floyd and Baldomir was a boring fight but Baldomir was Lineal champion while Mosley and Clottey were nothing. I wish the Ortiz fight went longer but sucker ass Vic couldn't handle being out boxed. May not have been the win we wanted or expected but Vic was champ coming off an impressive win over an undefeated fighter. When was the last time Manny Pacquiao done that? You keep discrediting Hoya, Hatton and Marquez but Hoya wasn't drained with IV marks in his arms. Hatton was undefeated and coming off a win against the only man to give Mayweather fits (Castillo) and he shut Marquez down (Something Manny has yet to do). Mosley was out for 15 months because Pacquiao would not fight him eventhough he was begging for it. Pac got booed after he got his gift decision over Marquez. Pac even got dropped off some list as the P4P#1. Manny fans were threatening Dan Rafael. You guys are jokes.

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Grustler defending floyd and gettin owned again.....
Damn just say you hate pac and stop making like your not biased

You wish. I'm telling the truth about the situation but you guys translated as hate. Everything I said about Pac is on point aside from the predictions I made in the past but homie had me fooled but didn't get me this time with the 3rd JMM fight. Called that one EXACTLY how it went down. If you think I hate Pac then what do you call what Pac fans say about Floyd? Have you ever read anything from me calling Pac out of his name or disrespecting him personally? I'm talking about boxing but of course it would be considered as hate by you and the rest of his fans because you guys don't know about boxing. I said I don't feel that Pac can beat Floyd and you guys get mad at me about it. Lame.

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If your suggesting that Pac needs the hug, I think many would agree with you. As many *******s have jumped that ship weeks ago. Bob's trying everything to save face. Problem is, the media isn't buying it this time.

So I agree, you are right, Pac needs a hug....

lolz what *******s are you talking about? those come just lately BANDWAGONERS?

Pacfans/*******s have always been their with Manny, we are the only ones their from the beggining when no one gave him a chance AND HAS HIS BACK ALL THE WAY !

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Hatton was almost KO'd at 140 by juan Lozcano...a LIGHTWEIGHT...

"Hatton isn't the same since losing to Mayweather"...Freddy Roach

And Manny Pacquiao still fought him after. Pac= Glorified FRAUD.