Comments Thread For: Upon Further Review: Rotten D.C. Verdict Still Stinks

[voneric]

Peterson should LowBall Khan on the Rematch, Then say he priced himself out

Its Getting Close to 72 seconds since i read the article...and i still cant decide how i Feel...Oh wait i feel Fitzsimmons is an Idiot or trying to audition for HBO. But i will agree that the Ref was a Disgrace. THe Moron Credited Amir with a Knockdown when it was clearly a slip. But that information is forgotten in the Article as it Hurts the Case of Khan Vs Corrupt Ref. How about the Fact that One of the Three Blind Mice (Judges) had Khan Up 115/110 after 2 points were taken off. Which Means One of the Judges was clearly in Golden Boys Pocket Since everyone, Except Fitzsimmons, agree it was a Much Closer fight than that. But all that Hurts YOur Case, SO you will Ignore it and Pretend there is a Heaven and Khan is there Naked. And i loved the whole "Befuddled Peterson with his Movement" line...but over here We call that RunningScared

[lest26]

im sure boxingscene is in Khans pockets, Khan has shown no class after this fight, the ref just upheld the rules and many more could learn from him, Khan was dirty and complaining through out, he was warned on numerous occasions but he thinks he is above all that like all spoilt b****.

[Lorily]

The ignorance that has been seeping from some of these supposed boxing 'writers', 'experts' and 'judges' is utterly mind numbing. I guess that's what happens when star power strikes those that get wowed by such silliness.

If only they watched the fight with normal, unbiased eyes. Listening would also be good and help.

The thread that was put out recently with Lederman is even worse than this tripe. Lederman complaining that the ref should have warned Khan properly and said that it was going to be the last time before taking a point away.

Was he sleeping during the 6th round when the ref did exactly that in no uncertain terms? "The is your last time Khan. Last time!" Did he really miss that obvious piece of advice from the ref to Khan? Are people, and writers, that thick and slow? Have they been caught up in hype and idiocy that much that they don't recognise basic boxing rules and what constitutes breaking those rules and fighting within them?

The part about Peterson fouling with his style is so sadly ignorant I can only shake my head and sigh that this guy writes as some kind of supposed expert on boxing. Yo Lyle, learn the rules mate, then try to understand them. Boring in is not against any boxing rule and never has been, ever.

There were no headbutts and there is no rule against putting your head into a fighters chest. It's a tactic, not breaking a rule. What Khan did was specifically against regulation boxing rules.

'You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.'

Let me say that again, in case you missed it the first time (it seems you did by not knowing the rules in the first place so I figured you probably missed them this time in your 'boxing journalist' ignorance): Fighting on the inside is not against the rules. Fighting with your head, especially if you're shorter (doesn't matter either way though), in the opponents chest is not against the rules. Having your head below your waist is against the rules. Peterson didn't do that, so anything about head too low is pointless. He didn't hit Khan with headbutts, again making any assumption of it moot. It didn't happen. Khan didn't get head butted during the fight and there was definitely no launching in of his head.

You can not break a rule just for thinking the other guy might. You can't hold someone behind the head and push down because you think he might headbutt you. That's you breaking the rules, not him. That means you can't do it. Wow! We've finally learned something class. The difference between thinking someone might break the rules (but not breaking them), and actually breaking the rules.

Also, Khan pushed, not for thinking Peterson might headbutt him, but because that's how he stops Peterson, and all his other opponents, from working inside. You cannot do it. That's why it's against the rules. It's also why you can't pick a boxer that's running away from you up and carry them bodily over to the corner and then maul them, then grab onto them when they try to run away again and pull them back into the corner by their arm. You have to fight your fight inside the rules and try to stop the opponent from fighting his, again without breaking the rules. That means you cannot stop someone from fighting and punching with holding, pushing off or pulling their head down.

Boring in and putting heavy pressure on someone is called fighting inside the rules. If he had been boring and actually launching headbutts ala Bradley, Casamayor, Khan, Hopkins etc, then he would have broken the rules. He didn't.

This is the important part Lyle. Khan actually broke the rules over and over and over and over, despite repeated warnings, despite the last warning before having a point taken, and even despite having a point taken he continued with no regard for those rules to break them. Peterson didn't. Does that make any sense to you? Just because you don't like the style of Peterson doesn't mean you can just come along and write complete BS saying that he was breaking rules and Khan wasn't. That is the worst possible journalism ie. uneducated, ignorant BS.

It's a really simple concept and one I thought someone like you would finally be familiar with after living this long. Clearly not. Please review rules before ever writing anything that mentions them ignorantly again.

Both guys has the usual small infractions, and were warned for them, that happen in every fight. Only one guy fouled excessively, against the rules, and continued to do so from the first bell to the last in complete disregard to the refs warnings and point deductions.

If this had happened to any other fighter, people would be saying nothing at all. Because it happens to some HBO, GBP protected hyped fighter suddenly breaking normal, regulation rules is perfectly fine? I've been stunned into incomprehension with the amount of crap that has come out of this fight because a fighter that was actually breaking the rules was properly deducted points for it.

Whatever happened to this type of reaction to Cortez deducting a point, with no warning at all, to Maidana for elbowing once? Instead, in this fight you have a ref warning non stop for 6 round before deducting a point and you still have people *****ing? Then, even after that it takes until the very end of the fight before he deducts another despite continuous warnings each round for the same rule being broken.

You are a better writter then Lyle could ever DREAM of being. I vote Lyle out, and you in good sir. Top post right here.

This is what has surprised me the most. The British media have surprisngly been more partial, fair and balanced than our own! I was very impressed with the British feed of the fight, which surprised me. You'd think they would be sticking up for Khan more since he was being hyped as their next big thing.

I truly wish I would have been watching a British version, over the HBO cast that couldn't shut up long enough to hear that actual warnings HAD been made MULTIPLE times prior to the first point deducted. There were atleast 4 warnings by the time the ref took the first point in the 4th round. And then Merchant's "WHAT??!? Did they even WARN him??" was the deciding factor for the MUTE button (which I really hate doing because I do enjoy the sounds of a fight and crowd reactions). Between Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant overlooking most of the brilliant body work of Lamont, and the absolute slathering that they put on Khan every time he puts two punches together, I can hardly stomach listening to either of them during the big fights anymore. Their bias (especially Jim Lampley) is disgustingly obvious and extremely overly animated.

I agree completely with your post. In fact that so-called KD which cost Peterson a point was a huge elbow shove into the ropes when Peterson was going backwards off balance. I don't know how anyone could have missed it. The analysts certainly saw it, and commented.

Cooper did a very good job, in fact I don't know when I've seen a better. If it isn't Smoger, allowing MMA tactics without blinking an eye and stopping fights much too late, to Cortez jumping in like an agitated frog whenever his favourite in the fight might be on the verge of receiving a body attack, the available refs are a very mixed lot. And to me, Cooper should have been seen a lot more. He remined me pf the previous generation refs, instead of breaking the guys up for infighting, he told them to stop holding and "fight on" or "fight out of it", and they always did. Which is the proper way to interfere as little as possible. You could count the number of real clinches on the fingers of both hands. They way a fight should be conducted.

I actually have some dread of who they'll have reffing the rematch between Peterson/Khan, as I can't imagine that GBP will have anyone in there that would be willing to go against the grain and call it like it should be. If Cortez is announced for the rematch, everyone with a brain cell ought to know that the gig is up.

[-EAGLE-]

wtf is this for an article? are you paid by GBP? just like that big fat **** Rafael

[welcometosaigon]

This is one of the worst articles I've ever read. To the hack who wrote this: If this is your "profession"... kill yourself.

[edgarg]

My sentiments exactly.

The line about Khan's handsome looks had me almost falling out of my seat in disbelief.

In fact, I think that the bashing he got around the face actually improved his very mediocre appearance. So he really has nothing to lose in becoming a bit more of a fighter instead of a "roadrunner".

I remember years ago all the fuss there was about the original Golden Boy, a guy called Art Aragon who was the most popular fighter ever produced in California. Unless you were around then you would not have believed it, far more than Oscar. nyway, he wasn't a bad looking guy, nothing really special, but because of his flair, and charisma he was regarded as being Hollywood quality. What I'm writing about here is the great fuss and news reports about his deciding to have his nose "fixed", in teh middle of his career. He thought it was causing hisappearance to deteriorate. The amount of reports, and Newspaper interest about it was unbelieveable...........

Khan "handsome"....... Aragon, after about 120 fights, looked like Phoebus compared to Quasimodo, (look up The Hunchback of Notre Dame and improve your education) compared to Khan.

[edgarg]

You are a better writter then Lyle could ever DREAM of being. I vote Lyle out, and you in good sir. Top post right here.



I truly wish I would have been watching a British version, over the HBO cast that couldn't shut up long enough to hear that actual warnings HAD been made MULTIPLE times prior to the first point deducted. There were atleast 4 warnings by the time the ref took the first point in the 4th round. And then Merchant's "WHAT??!? Did they even WARN him??" was the deciding factor for the MUTE button (which I really hate doing because I do enjoy the sounds of a fight and crowd reactions). Between Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant overlooking most of the brilliant body work of Lamont, and the absolute slathering that they put on Khan every time he puts two punches together, I can hardly stomach listening to either of them during the big fights anymore. Their bias (especially Jim Lampley) is disgustingly obvious and extremely overly animated.



I actually have some dread of who they'll have reffing the rematch between Peterson/Khan, as I can't imagine that GBP will have anyone in there that would be willing to go against the grain and call it like it should be. If Cortez is announced for the rematch, everyone with a brain cell ought to know that the gig is up.

Regardless of the "irony" I stand by my post, in which I actually understated my opinions somewhat. And I can still say that your comment on the HBO team was correct. Cooper warned Khan more times than I kept count of, and I distinctly heard him give a "last warning", in the 6th. And before he threw that uppercut in the 12th, he took a quick look, saw the ref coming in to either warn or deduct from him and decided to hit him anyway.

Of the 3 HBO team, I think that Lampley was rather the worst, he never stopped talking, actually in places, babbling. He talked even more than the Colonel, my favourite, with the big difference being that Col. Bob talks real boxing know-how, and Lampley talks .....just talks. His not-rare mis-attribution of punches really stood out when he said "a nice 4 punch combination by Khan", when it was a heavy 4 punch body combination by Peterson.

What came into my mind just then was the famous Jackie Mason quip about when he boxed. He was in the ring,.."I danced around, threw a left, a right, an uppercut....and then my opponent came into the ring".......... Don't know why...but it did, must have a quirky mind.

[KiloTeague]

This is one of the worst articles I've ever read. To the hack who wrote this: If this is your "profession"... kill yourself.

The best fight for me is Felix Trinidad vs Fernando Vargas in which Jay Nady took 2 points from tito for consecutive low blows.

Noone accused Nady for interfeering. If he didnt call it he would of let felix cheat without penalty.

If the ref doesnt call khan out, if he doesnt deduct for something thats being done illegally over and over again, then hes letting khan cheat to victory.

Ref did his job.

Writer is a discrace

[Lorily]

Regardless of the "irony" I stand by my post, in which I actually understated my opinions somewhat. And I can still say that your comment on the HBO team was atrociaous. Cooper warned Khan more times than I kept count of, and I distinctly heard him give a "last warning", in the 6th.

Of the 3 HBO team, I think that Lampley was rather the worst, he never stopped talking, actually in places, babbling. He talked even more than the Colonel, my favourite, with the big difference being that Col. Bob talks real boxing know-how, and Lampley talks .....just talks. His not-rare mis-attribution of punches really stood out when he said "a nice 4 punch combination by Khan", when it was a heavy 4 punch body combination by Peterson.

What came into my mind just then was the famous Jackie Mason quip about when he boxed. He was in the ring,.."I danced around, threw a left, a right, an uppercut....and then my opponent came into the ring".......... Don't know why...but it did, must have a quirky mind.

My comments on the HBO commentary was atrociaous?? Perhaps you were commenting to someone else because I was clearly saying the exact same thing you just said here??? Did I not say in reference to another post that Khan was clearly warned atleast 4 times prior to the first point being taken away, and that if HBO had shut their yaps for a moment they would have heard that? I ALSO stated that they overlooked Peterson's great work to the body. Maybe re-read what I said, because I said HBO (especially Jim Lampley) was absolutely dreadful, so I don't understand your reply to me.

[bigblue22]

The ignorance that has been seeping from some of these supposed boxing 'writers', 'experts' and 'judges' is utterly mind numbing. I guess that's what happens when star power strikes those that get wowed by such silliness.

If only they watched the fight with normal, unbiased eyes. Listening would also be good and help.

The thread that was put out recently with Lederman is even worse than this tripe. Lederman complaining that the ref should have warned Khan properly and said that it was going to be the last time before taking a point away.

Was he sleeping during the 6th round when the ref did exactly that in no uncertain terms? "The is your last time Khan. Last time!" Did he really miss that obvious piece of advice from the ref to Khan? Are people, and writers, that thick and slow? Have they been caught up in hype and idiocy that much that they don't recognise basic boxing rules and what constitutes breaking those rules and fighting within them?

The part about Peterson fouling with his style is so sadly ignorant I can only shake my head and sigh that this guy writes as some kind of supposed expert on boxing. Yo Lyle, learn the rules mate, then try to understand them. Boring in is not against any boxing rule and never has been, ever.

There were no headbutts and there is no rule against putting your head into a fighters chest. It's a tactic, not breaking a rule. What Khan did was specifically against regulation boxing rules.

'You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.'

Let me say that again, in case you missed it the first time (it seems you did by not knowing the rules in the first place so I figured you probably missed them this time in your 'boxing journalist' ignorance): Fighting on the inside is not against the rules. Fighting with your head, especially if you're shorter (doesn't matter either way though), in the opponents chest is not against the rules. Having your head below your waist is against the rules. Peterson didn't do that, so anything about head too low is pointless. He didn't hit Khan with headbutts, again making any assumption of it moot. It didn't happen. Khan didn't get head butted during the fight and there was definitely no launching in of his head.

You can not break a rule just for thinking the other guy might. You can't hold someone behind the head and push down because you think he might headbutt you. That's you breaking the rules, not him. That means you can't do it. Wow! We've finally learned something class. The difference between thinking someone might break the rules (but not breaking them), and actually breaking the rules.

Also, Khan pushed, not for thinking Peterson might headbutt him, but because that's how he stops Peterson, and all his other opponents, from working inside. You cannot do it. That's why it's against the rules. It's also why you can't pick a boxer that's running away from you up and carry them bodily over to the corner and then maul them, then grab onto them when they try to run away again and pull them back into the corner by their arm. You have to fight your fight inside the rules and try to stop the opponent from fighting his, again without breaking the rules. That means you cannot stop someone from fighting and punching with holding, pushing off or pulling their head down.

Boring in and putting heavy pressure on someone is called fighting inside the rules. If he had been boring and actually launching headbutts ala Bradley, Casamayor, Khan, Hopkins etc, then he would have broken the rules. He didn't.

This is the important part Lyle. Khan actually broke the rules over and over and over and over, despite repeated warnings, despite the last warning before having a point taken, and even despite having a point taken he continued with no regard for those rules to break them. Peterson didn't. Does that make any sense to you? Just because you don't like the style of Peterson doesn't mean you can just come along and write complete BS saying that he was breaking rules and Khan wasn't. That is the worst possible journalism ie. uneducated, ignorant BS.

It's a really simple concept and one I thought someone like you would finally be familiar with after living this long. Clearly not. Please review rules before ever writing anything that mentions them ignorantly again.

Both guys has the usual small infractions, and were warned for them, that happen in every fight. Only one guy fouled excessively, against the rules, and continued to do so from the first bell to the last in complete disregard to the refs warnings and point deductions.

If this had happened to any other fighter, people would be saying nothing at all. Because it happens to some HBO, GBP protected hyped fighter suddenly breaking normal, regulation rules is perfectly fine? I've been stunned into incomprehension with the amount of crap that has come out of this fight because a fighter that was actually breaking the rules was properly deducted points for it.

Whatever happened to this type of reaction to Cortez deducting a point, with no warning at all, to Maidana for elbowing once? Instead, in this fight you have a ref warning non stop for 6 round before deducting a point and you still have people *****ing? Then, even after that it takes until the very end of the fight before he deducts another despite continuous warnings each round for the same rule being broken.

I completely agree with everything you said. Well put.