Roach not looking good this year

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  • KingKhan1
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    #31
    Originally posted by Larryx2011
    Lineras,then manny,now khan...this guy hasnt been giving good corner information this year
    Seriously? Linares lost because he ran out of steam. It was his conditioning that was the problem for him. He looked great in the first half of the fight. And with the Pacquiao fight he underperformed, simple as that. The game plan set in place was perfect to beat Marquez. As for the Khan fight last night it was Khan's silly ego that lost him the fight. As soon as Peterson landed he thought he needed to show that he didnt hurt him. It all comes back to the knockout and round 10 in the Maidana fight. If Khan fought with the tactics he fought in rounds 1 and 2 for the whole fight then he probably would have stopped Peterson. So Khans discipline was the problem. None of this should be directed to Freddy Roach.

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    • TheSurgeonMDMPH
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      #32
      Roach is an over rated trainer. But he gets all the glory when his fighters perform the way they do against carefully selected and obvious overmatched fighters with a common style. Add to this the possible past shady shyt going on with his conditioning "guru".

      The deficiencies I have come to notice in his game is the all action style that abandons technique for volume and power. He has 2 fighters that rush forward in str8 lines while throwing punches with a neglect for balance. All are susceptible to body work. And most importantly, they cant fight on the inside or at long range. Mid range solimente.

      And just like roach, these guys take lots of punishment when they are not against their traditional mismatches.

      IMO, Roach is a C+ in the area of technique. A B- in mid-fight adjustments. An A- in prefight gameplanning. And a A++ in matchmaking.

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      • radioraheem
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        #33
        Originally posted by DAN916
        Ariza shakes just aint the same.
        Nah. Them Ariza shakes are still quite effective. Khan was taking many, many hard flush punches to the head and yet was still standing. Peterson is a bigger and more powerful fighter than Prescott too. And yet, Khan stood his ground despite being hit waaaaay more times and with harder punches than what Prescott landed.

        Ariza's shakes are so effective, that Khan literally taunted Peterson to hit him on the chin again! Then in another moment, spread his arms to taunt him so more to indirectly say -- you ain't hurting me!

        Them Ariza shakes are no joke! What's laughable is that despite such powerful shakes, Khan still lost! Haha.

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        • Khalid X
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          #34
          SMH.....

          I hate Roach....but you guys are idiots.

          He gave perfect advice which was fire up the middle, because Peterson was throwing wide punches trying to land the right hook, and to dip under when Peterson was trying to back him up on the ropes.

          Khan actually hurt Peterson when he went up the middle, and the times he listened to Roach, Peterson couldn't get him against the ropes and Khan was dominating him in the center of the ring.

          IMO Khan made this fight harder than it had to be. There were long stretches were he had his guard up, stood against the ropes and allowed Lamont to find openings.

          That's 100% on Amir as he allowed Peterson to steal rounds, and make rallies to change to momentum.

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          • Juanma9
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            #35
            Originally posted by KingKhan1
            Seriously? Linares lost because he ran out of steam. It was his conditioning that was the problem for him. He looked great in the first half of the fight. And with the Pacquiao fight he underperformed, simple as that. The game plan set in place was perfect to beat Marquez. As for the Khan fight last night it was Khan's silly ego that lost him the fight. As soon as Peterson landed he thought he needed to show that he didnt hurt him. It all comes back to the knockout and round 10 in the Maidana fight. If Khan fought with the tactics he fought in rounds 1 and 2 for the whole fight then he probably would have stopped Peterson. So Khans discipline was the problem. None of this should be directed to Freddy Roach.
            I disagree. Roach should be the first to tell his fighter to calm down. Linares was winning on the score cards by a huge margin. Had he been taught to clinch or been smart enough to take a knee, he would have won that fight.

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            • BlackMessiahX
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              #36
              Originally posted by DAN916
              Ariza shakes just aint the same.
              my thoughts exactly

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