Every single fight the Klitschkos take is an automatic cherrypick

[cupocity303]

If you take away the Klitschkos, all the current heavyweights would struggle with each other. Nobody would stand out. That means there are no ATG level fighters in the mix.

Really? This is your criteria for greatness? That even if the Klitschko's were gone, one guy would have to do what they did, and dominate? Isn't this what's being held against the Klitschko's or any dominant Champion? Even Larry Holmes catches flack for his Heavyweight Title reign.

I though a competitive Heavyweight Division = Golden Era-esque. The greatness being spread around, Socialist style with fighters making each other great by competing in close, combative fights.

You're confused, you're not even sure what argument you wanna use to **** on the Klitschko's for doing what they're supposed to do.

[cupocity303]

Its the weakest era of HWs in history thats why they are what they are , not their fault but serious boxing fans are supposed to have some reference when they claim somebody is great , and I dont mean dominating nobodies that cant even fight .

If they're dominating nobodies, then aren't they doing what a great fighter is supposed to do to nobodies, and that's dominate them?

I highly doubt that any of the past greats would be as consistently dominant like the Klitschko's are, if we took a time machine and brought them back to present time, to fight the same guys the Klitschko's have fought.

The Klitschko's have invented the most effective one-dimensional that fits their height, and it's more effective at a consistent basis than any of the other great styles from the past. Ali at his best, can only float like a butterfly, sting like a bee for 15 rounds, for so long. He wastes so much energy and inflicts so little damage for that effort. Meanwhile the Klits have learned to conserve energy and do the exact the same thing to their opponents, with half the effort.

ALL of you are in denial of the Klitschko's greatness and effectiveness.

[cupocity303]

Good fighters in a poor era, what can they do?

All they can do is fight the guy's that are regarded as the best of the rest (even if they aren't very good) - The Klitschko's do indeed fight the rest, they are just much better than them, especially physically.

Correction: Great fighters.

Good fighters would bust their ass for all these victories, escaping with Split and Majority decisions, with the punch stats showing that they landed less than the other guy. Close fights all the time, with a bruised and beaten face, but AT LEAST THE GOOD FIGHTER REMAINS CHAMPION FOR ANOTHER DAY.

That's a good fighter. A great fighter, cleans house, which they do.

[cupocity303]

and Pacquiao would be THAT dominant without marquez and mayweather

Andre ward would be THAT dominant without Froch and Dirrell

Being a talented fighter in a dead division is a formula for being overrated.

I don't even know what we're arguing , i thought It was common knowledge that the heavyweight division is dead.

This is anecdotal evidence on your part. Pacquiao is a flawed fighter, and the fact that the scathed by the last few years as smoothly as he did, came as a surprise to anybody. Matter of fact it, was such a surprise that unfounded accusations of Steroid use came about. People couldn't accept a 5'6 Featherweight who had close fights against other Featherweights, doing what he did. He is a 5'6 guy with no Technical Boxing ability, and Slick Counter punchers (whether JMM or Floyd) being his kryptonite was seen a mile away. Even his promoter knows this which is why he keeps him away from pure boxers.

No such thing with Wlad or Vitali. What's a sure style that has Wlad's or Vitali's number. Is it the Mike Tyson aggressor or the Ali mover? Or some combination of both. Is Ali gonna make Vitali or Wlad look like one of his bums from the 60's, by outboxing them easily for 15 rounds? I highly doubt it.

Is Iron Mike gonna take them out in 1 or 2 rounds like one of his bums from the 80's, when he was in Build-up record mode? Where is the basis for that, besides being in awe of Mike knocking out bums? His win over Spinks being Exhibit A evidence?

Face it, you're just grasping at straws. Notice you didn't mention Floyd in your little example. Some fighters can just dominate and figure out ways to win in 90% of their fights, and usually how they box and defend themselves, has something to do with it.

[boxingking500]

the "old days of boxing" are some of the most overated **** of all time, there just like any other era, there are only about 4-5 top guys while everyone is either average or suck


i get really sick of the overrating of the past eras of boxing

[cupocity303]

They're skilled for today, but not in an overall sense. They don't feint (actually Vitaly does), parry, throw in combo or work the body. And while they're excellent on their feet for big men, I'd hardly say they have great footwork. They rely on the size and reach and the poor condition and skills of their opponents. Your comments about Chambers just strengthens my point about stamina today.

I have fought of this false analogy a million times. People working under the assumptions that 6'6 guys have to feint and throw bodyshots.

WHY? It's the smaller fighters job to throw body shots to break down the bigger man, not the other way around. Why would a big guys lower himself to the smaller opponents level and try to throw body shots on the inside, with their long arms?

Why would they throw combinations? Are they Welterweights? Are they even the 190 Heavyweights from years past? No they're 250 pound giants who have found a one-dimensional way of dominating their opponents. Why would they do more? Are they supposed to do the shuffle like Ali did, do qualify as having good footwork?

Did Ali throw a lot of body shots in his heydays?

[cupocity303]

Who overrates them? they are very good fighters in an awful era,they will never be considered great by anybody that knows anything,but its not there fault

It's "their", not "there", dipshit.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524990

[Superflo777]

Really? This is your criteria for greatness? That even if the Klitschko's were gone, one guy would have to do what they did, and dominate? Isn't this what's being held against the Klitschko's or any dominant Champion? Even Larry Holmes catches flack for his Heavyweight Title reign.

I though a competitive Heavyweight Division = Golden Era-esque. The greatness being spread around, Socialist style with fighters making each other great by competing in close, combative fights.

You're confused, you're not even sure what argument you wanna use to **** on the Klitschko's for doing what they're supposed to do.

Correction: Great fighters.

Good fighters would bust their ass for all these victories, escaping with Split and Majority decisions, with the punch stats showing that they landed less than the other guy. Close fights all the time, with a bruised and beaten face, but AT LEAST THE GOOD FIGHTER REMAINS CHAMPION FOR ANOTHER DAY.

That's a good fighter. A great fighter, cleans house, which they do.

Great posts there.

[JAB5239]

lol at this delusional mentally ill Klitschko hater.

The Klitschkos success has made you totally lose your mind.

You of course have nothing to argue with except your same old spammed bullshit, so this response is all I've left you with. :wank:

[Jedi Vader]

They make great fighters look average

List these great fighters then.

This should be fun.