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  • LeG00N
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    #21
    Originally posted by Steak
    bah. prime Morales was a near unstoppable force. Even in his last great performance when he was already fading he beat Pacquiao more one sidedly than Marquez ever did.

    Marquez gets hit constantly, even against guys like Jandaeng Terdsak and a faded Casamayor, and struggled against the boxing ability of Chris John and Freddie Norwood. Morales shined more than anything else in a firefight, not to mention he had better boxing ability than both John and Norwood.

    Not that I dont think it would be a great fight, Morales couldnt resist putting on a show...but I feel Morales could really be the only winner in this match.
    .....Marquez was already in his Mid 30's and past his physical prime when he fought Terdsak and Casamayor.. He was definitely more willing to trade at that point.. He's always been a counter puncher, in his physical prime he lacked aggression which would hurt him in some fights.
    But I think we know that wouldn't be a factor with Morales. Morales would take the fight to him which would play into Marquez's hands.
    Which is why I think Marquez's would end up getting a decision over Morales.
    I only favor him slighlty though. A prime El Terrible was a monster

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      #22
      Originally posted by miron_lang
      The image of Marquez being successful in countering Pacquiao who comes forward all the time MUST have stuck in to your mind.


      Marquez looks vulnerable againts Cassa, JuanD, and Kats. He didnt look all too dominating as well againts Salido and the Thai dude.


      Marquez will have trouble againts a boxer/puncher of Morales caliber. Morales was Superb that year ( 2004 )
      .....Marquez was closer to 40 than he was to 30 when he fought those guys lol
      Salido is underrated in my opinion, and John made Marquez lead which isn't really what hes best at. It wouldn't be the same fight with Morales.

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      • Steak
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        #23
        Morales wasnt someone easy to counter. He was very rarely off balance from his shots, and often faked leading so that he could counter counters.

        and if thats not prime Marquez, then who is? the one that struggled and was dropped against Norwood? Marquez didnt even really blow out Robbie Peden, and ate a fair amount of jabs and right hands against him and bloodied his nose, and thats was Morales' bread and butter.

        one of the best things Morales did was keep cool during exchanges. He would be able to slip most of the combos, and interupt the middle of them with his own shots.

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          #24
          Morales's technique againts Jesus Chaves and Carlos Hernadez was gracious and menacing as well. Marquez wont have an easy time countering him.


          comparing Victor Polo and Orlando Salido Performance againts Chavez and Hernandez plus the fact that this is the ultimate time period that both are closer to their primes. ( 2004 )


          Morales handily beats JMM by 2 to 3 pts IMO.

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            #25
            How about Mosley - Trinidad ?


            Trinidad - loves his power and would try all night long to land that vaunted left hook

            Mosley - Granite chin with great power as well.


            ITS CRAZY it didnt happened!


            Mosley by late stoppage would be by bet.

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              #26
              Originally posted by miron_lang
              * Great fights that should have happened but didnt. who wudda?


              Lennox vs Bowe *After Bowe-Holy III

              Best heavyweight fight they never happened in the 90s besides Tyson-Foreman. Lennox was a solid all around boxer but shakey china. Bowe at his peak was one of the toughest fighters out there. He was a solid boxer too very well rounded but probably less power but very good chin. I think he'd take Lewis best and stop him.

              Wlad vs Lennox * Before Vitali

              Lennox is a smart guy. Wlad has shown shakey china and cardio problems if pressed at a high rate. I think Lewis makes this a fight and stops him under 6.

              Erik Morales vs Juan Manuel Marquez *2004 after the Pac I @130

              I think JMM has proven he belongs up there with those all time great mexicans. I think JMM is just the more slicker counterpuncher and would outpoint him in a war.

              Jose Luis Castillo vs Miguel Cotto *After Chico II @140

              I think Cotto is just the more powerful guy here. He would have Castillo backing up and break him down with his good jab, devastating body punches, and hard hooks to stop him within 10.

              Ricky Hatton vs Arturo Gatti *After Tsyu fight @140

              Gatti is a warrior where Hatton is a grinder with his clinching and body punching. If Gatti can keep distance he would pick him apart but i think Hattons distance closing is very good i think Gatti can win 3 or 4 early rounds but Hatton grinds out the decision.

              Shane Mosley vs Tito Trinidad, * after Oscar II @154

              Im bias lol. The second Oscar fight was alot closer and from there it was up and down. Trinidad i think wins a decision in a classic. Mosley isnt a defensive master like Winky or Hopkins. He is scrappy i think he would try to box but ultimately slug it out which nobody wins against trinidad.

              Manny Pacquiao vs Paulie Ayala *2003 @122 before Barrera

              Antonio Margarito vs Ricardo Mayorga

              Boy would these guys trade. Margarito wins on pure heart and chin alone. I think Mayorga is the better fighter but margarito can take all mayorgas punches then Mayorga would gas. If both are so desparate for another payday Its the best fight to make. Put it on the undercard of a Manny or Cotto card.

              Floyd Mayweather vs Joel Cassamayor @130 before the Ndou fight.

              If anybody could outslick or outsmart Floyd at this point it would be Cassamayor. Its just Floyd is so fast and hit lights out in the lower weights. I think he would just outwork him for a decision maybe late stoppage If he tries hard enough.

              Mike Tyson vs David Tua * Before Williams fight

              I think prime for prime this is a crazy fight too. I think Tua could rock Prime Tyson once or twice.
              These match ups are explosive as hell lol. Mosley vs Trinidad is one of the most crazy fights never made and how it was never made is a huge head shaking mystery.

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                #27
                Originally posted by miron_lang
                * Great fights that should have happened but didnt. who wudda?


                Lennox vs Bowe *After Bowe-Holy III

                Wlad vs Lennox * Before Vitali

                Erik Morales vs Juan Manuel Marquez *2004 after the Pac I @130

                Jose Luis Castillo vs Miguel Cotto *After Chico II @140

                Ricky Hatton vs Arturo Gatti *After Tsyu fight @140

                Shane Mosley vs Tito Trinidad * after Oscar II @154

                Manny Pacquiao
                vs Paulie Ayala *2003 @122 before Barrera

                Antonio Margarito vs Ricardo Mayorga Pick em

                Floyd Mayweather vs Joel Cassamayor @130 before the Ndou fight.

                Mike Tyson
                vs David Tua * Before Williams fight
                ..............................................

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by miron_lang
                  How about Mosley - Trinidad ?


                  Trinidad - loves his power and would try all night long to land that vaunted left hook

                  Mosley - Granite chin with great power as well.



                  ITS CRAZY it didnt happened!


                  Mosley by late stoppage would be by bet.
                  Thats what makes that fight so intriguing.....

                  Granite chin + speed +power and his willingness to trade
                  while Trinidad had that killer left hook and more than enough power to spare.


                  I see Mosley beating Trinidad... probably dropping him early, which would end up helping Mosley get a decision if he didn't flat out stop him.

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                  • sammiza567
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                    #29
                    i like mayorga over margarito. mayorga has eqaul chin + much more one punch power+ big gahones= stops margarito worse than mosley. closest fight imo are jmm-morales and mosley-trinidad, I'm stumped.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by sammiza567
                      i like mayorga over margarito. mayorga has eqaul chin + much more one punch power+ big gahones= stops margarito worse than mosley. closest fight imo are jmm-morales and mosley-trinidad, I'm stumped.


                      he has a good chin but it isn't on par with Margarito's

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