Comments Thread For: Cotto Still Suspects Margarito Used Plaster Wraps in 2008

[edgarg]

and how did George Foreman's Witch Doctor, get into the discussion???
If the California Commission told U that 2X2=5, would that work for U???

I was using that silly occurrence to show that some people are superstitious enough to try anything, and I'd just posted in that since the silly used gauze strip had no actual damage potential, maybe the trainer was superstitious enough because of an old Mayan folk tale, to use it to see if it would help Margarito.

Because he knew before the fight that Margarito was in trouble, he came into camp weighing 190, for the first time ever. Also the camp scales later proved to be 2 lbs light so he had a hell of a time taking off the weight. Remember he weighed in at 145.5, the lightest in many years. He was finished even before the fight began. So I just joked that if Foreman, who WAS very su****ious, could use witchdoctors, (WHICH HE DID) maybe the Mexican Capetillo, who must have much Mayan blood, might have heard of an old wives tale about some spell on using a used item for fighting. Basically a joke.

[edgarg]

Gee,you don't think Cotto's face was in such a state because he had his nose broken and was getting repeatedly tagged with clean uppercuts throughout the entire fight,do you? If Tony's gloves were loaded,then somebody with a suspect chin like Cotto sure as hell wouldn't have been able to withstand that amount of punishment for eleven rounds.


Cotto was dealing with an entirely different animal three and a half years ago,and there is absolutely no doubt that Margarito is further removed from his best than Cotto at this point.He's a severely diminished fighter with a f^cked up eye that swells up easily.

One of the most sensible posts of the lot.

[BoxingGenius27]

I've seen more "excuses" for Margarito in this thread than from the man himself. We all know how hard that is.

Edgarg, Margarito or Capetillo themselves aren't even saying some of the things you're saying. Why is that; don't you find that strange?

Also, you're quoted as saying you've done research on today's new eye technology and Margarito's eye would be better than it was before the Pac fight.

Is this the same research you've done on the Margarito case; and do you still stand by that claim?

I ask this because if you've done the same research that made you think Margarito's eye was better now than before the injury, I'm kind of skeptical on your research about the plaster case.

But all jokes aside, objectively speaking, I couldn't disagree with you more regarding the plaster like substance found.

[boxingfan76]

LEAD, I understand your comment and respect your feeling, but it is just a feeling. Because nobody believed him is no answer. At least all of the Commission believed him, and they're the ones who best know what actually occurred, and what part Margarito played. They would not have penalised Margarito at all, except their Rules mandated that Margarito was liable for penalty.

They specifically stated that they were satisfied that he was not aware of the illegal pads, but he was being penalised because "you are the head of team". What could be clearer than that?? This was their legal ruling, issued in a legal manner, and couched in legal language. As I've said, I read the the official Comission document, with the original details in full, the Commission decision, their denial of the appeal, and their reasons for it.

Nothing could be clearer.

My own logic, because of the wild outpourings, such as "bricks" plaster, (which I KNEW, from the Cleveland Williams experiment to be useless) and my own opinon of Nazeem Richardson from when he tried to accuse Trinidad of criminality, plus common sense, made me doubt the wild stories from the very beginning. I am a ***, very well versed in the history of my people, and there's nothing I hate more than "scapegoating". I've been an innocent scapegoat myself. And I would suspect that all ***s who feel their ***ishness (because some feel less ***ish than others) would have the same outlook....like Arum for instance, for whom so many have such an unreasoning and pointless hatred. The horrific lynchings in the 20's and 30's in the US, gave me the same outrage.

As you know, since this "plaster' thing erupted, I have been totally against uncritically condemning Margarito and Capetillo until I was satisfied that all the available TRUE facts were on view. In my time, I have seen too many who have been condemned and penalised when absolutely innocent of anything, just by being there.

My late father G-D Bless him, as a little boy, lived in a very persecuted community in Latvia, (as they all were then) in those days part of Czarist Russia. And he was one of the little boys who would be out on watch at the outskirts, for the "Cossacken", as any drunken *** hating mob was called, so that the rest could be warned in time to get to previously prepared hiding places, to avoid ****, torture and murder. So I, like so many others, grew up with a strong detestation for any unreasoning hatred and condemnation. Especially without proper proof.

And as far as I could see, none was presented in BoxingScene posts in this case. And as it actually emerged, the illegal pads that were found before the Mosley scrap could not have damaged anyone. So nobody really knows what Capetillo expected them to do. My "oddball" suggestion that it was an old superstition, is as good as any.

I know you don't agree with me but in this post I've been very open and frank to you, because you always express such very strong views, but this time treated my post with the respect that one boxing enthusiast extends to another. People can always agree to disagree and if done with respect, it's sometimes astonishing what insights can emerge. I've learnt much from some of the good posters here, which is why I stay, otherwise wading through all the drek would be too much for me.

And a good exchange of posts, even in dispute, is always enjoyable.

great post .

[x3_bazooka_x3]

if Cotto wanted a real confirmation he should have insisted on the same gloves size and brand as last time out what a ***** move to switch the gloves up brand and size and use that as an argument....

[boxingfan76]

Cotto was class, both in the ring and in victory. I agree with Cotto's argument on how little damage he sustained on his face compared to their last fight. Margarito was still landing after all...

this is cottos face after the pac fight was there plaster there too??? any plaster talk is just absurd and ridiculous,cotto was messed up 10 x worse against pacman.also people have a real bad memory even befor the margs fight cotto always had a tendencey to get all busted up and bleed everywhere.Props to cotto on his win,but its was one of the most disgusting shows of favorotism by stopping the fight which at that point was only favoring cotto.also its funny how cotto fans wont even acknowledge how their boy was running for his dear life in the last few rounds,THAT WASNT BOXING THAT WAS RUNNING,ive never ever seen COTTO JUST RUN that much right when he was getting pounded on ,oh yeah were concerned for margs eye,lol please; how pathetic.Cotto only proved that the first margs fight was no fluke or a product of cheating but more his inability to ever train properley for a 12round fight and lose stamina after 5 rounds,and a complete lack of mental and physical fortitude under sustained pressure which he will obviousley never recover from.Margs is badly washed up,and fought with a previous injury and STILL was starting to pound cotto,im not saying cotto wouldve lost but it sure was headed that way or cotto at least wouldve taken far more punishment. this fight proved both dudes need to retire especially margs and plaster accustaions simply hold absolutley no water at this point.If anything was proven in this fight its that ,margs has been plaster free all along.Props to cotto and puerto rican boxing they needed a win badly,theyre both washed up bums with names but they bring in the fans so that accounts for something.....[IMG]http://i293.***********.com/albums/mm54/carlosmy58/cotto.jpg[/IMG]

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I've seen more "excuses" for Margarito in this thread than from the man himself. We all know how hard that is.

Edgarg, Margarito or Capetillo themselves aren't even saying some of the things you're saying. Why is that; don't you find that strange?

Also, you're quoted as saying you've done research on today's new eye technology and Margarito's eye would be better than it was before the Pac fight.

Is this the same research you've done on the Margarito case; and do you still stand by that claim?

I ask this because if you've done the same research that made you think Margarito's eye was better now than before the injury, I'm kind of skeptical on your research about the plaster case.

But all jokes aside, objectively speaking, I couldn't disagree with you more regarding the plaster like substance found.

Speaking of the plaster account with the Mosley fight, HBO not only exposed what that "Crack" was in Margaritos wraps from the Cotto fight which we know was either a black sharpie or a thread.

But during the interview with former trainer Capetillo the story is told as to what happend that night and actually translated correctly and having that re translated by my brother in law who is Mexican to the bone I have to admit the findings in what he says are surprising....

and I am shocked that the media has not reported his entire account of that night they only took bits and pieces had they reported what actually went down from his side of the story as HBO did, I do not believe this would have been as big of news as it turned out to be, and I also believe that is why Margarito was not banned for life

[boxingfan76]

TO ALL THE IDIOTS SAYING WITH ALL CERTITUDE MARGS USED PLASTER ON COTTO OR ANYONE ELSE HERES COTTO AfTER THE 1ST MARGS FIGHT-[IMG]http://i293.***********.com/albums/mm54/carlosmy58/Miguel-Cotto-busted-up_1062455.jpg[/IMG]HERES COTTO AFTER THE MANNY FIGHT-[IMG]http://i293.***********.com/albums/mm54/carlosmy58/cotto.jpg[/IMG] YOU HAVE TO BE ON CRACK OF EFFEN AND I DO MEAN FOKKEN DELUSIONAL TO BE CONVINCED MARGS USED PLASTER ON COTTO,COTTO HAS PROVEN SINCE THE FIRST FIGHT HE LOST BECAUSE HES SIMPLY NOT THAT GOOD !ACCEPT IT STOP MAKING ABSURD EXCUSES,PROPS TO COTTO AND HIS FAMILY THEYVE BEEN THROUGH ALOT SEEING THERE DAD,SON,HUSBAND RECEIVE BEATINGS LIKE THAT.

[The Big Dunn]

I believe Marg cheated the first fight vs Cotto and probably many more fights prior to that. Since he got caught with the illegal wraps, it seems as if he needs to land 3 or 4punches to do the damage 1 of his punches used to do.

[boxingfan76]

THE TWO FIGHTERS DOWN IN MY SIG ,GREaT FIGHTERS THIS ONE DOWN BELOW : NOT SO GREAT. cotton after the 1st marsg fight -[IMG]http://i293.***********.com/albums/mm54/carlosmy58/Miguel-Cotto-busted-up_1062455.jpg[/IMG] cotton after the pac fight-[IMG]http://i293.***********.com/albums/mm54/carlosmy58/cotto.jpg[/IMG] a tiny welterweight put a far worse life changing beating on cotto than a 6 ft margs in his prime,the fact of the matter is margs and cotto were all along good fighters while the 2 down below are great ones, once again cooto fans accusing margs of plaster despite the incredibly questionable and weak evidence and in light of cottos performances ,all i can say is drugs and arrogance are bad. Once again cotto is your best proof by how hes performed in the ring since margs 1 all the way to margs 2 to disprove any allegations of plaster.