Comments Thread For: Cotto Still Suspects Margarito Used Plaster Wraps in 2008

[edgarg]

I have never seen so many pathetic attempts to excuse a loss. That fight wasn't close by any stretch of imagination and round 9 Cotto landed his biggest punches of the fight, he wasn't slowing down at all. Margarito lost it wasn't some robbery like pac/jmm this was one sided beatdown.

Yes, Cotto had a big lead, boxed well, but also Margarito had begun to get to him and he was taking punishment that he had avoided in the first half of the fight. I don't think that Margarito could have caught up in the time remaining, unless Cotto suddenly folded, and he was still spry enough to box his way out of difficulties. If it had been a 15 rd fight, I think Margarito would have won, assuming his eye wouldn't stop the fight.

I've seen worse eyes where the fight wasn't stopped. Do you remember the grotesque swelling of the whole forehead and eye of Hasim Raheem from the Holyfield fight.(like the "Elephant Man") That fight wasn't stopped until the 9th or 10th. Should have been stopped about the 5-6th. Basilio's eye was not only shut for about 5-6 rds but swollen like a black golf ball. And against a killer like Robinson.

Margarito could still see from that eye, and Smoger himself would not have stopped the fight. He was pushed by the doc. It could be that because of past trauma, Margarito's eye is sensitive to swelling more than normal. I broke my nose in a cricket match, it was badly set, had to be rebroken and re-set. Ever after, the slightest touch caused it to swell. Had to give up boxing.

[prinzemanspopa]

Plasterita should be jailed! Look at Cotto's face this fight compared to fight 1. There's no denying the fact. Look at the results after he's been exposed.

Gee,you don't think Cotto's face was in such a state because he had his nose broken and was getting repeatedly tagged with clean uppercuts throughout the entire fight,do you? If Tony's gloves were loaded,then somebody with a suspect chin like Cotto sure as hell wouldn't have been able to withstand that amount of punishment for eleven rounds.


Cotto was dealing with an entirely different animal three and a half years ago,and there is absolutely no doubt that Margarito is further removed from his best than Cotto at this point.He's a severely diminished fighter with a f^cked up eye that swells up easily.

[jbpanama]

Dan, it is only to the unfortunately prolific imbeciles that he is regarded as having tainted his career. His career WAS tainted it's true, but by his trainer, not by him. He was found not to be at fault for the used gauze strip found in the centre of his knuckle pad, but was penalised solely, as the Commission documant declared "because you are the head of the team". They compromised by penalising him with the least allowable penalty, because several of the Commission were against penalising him at all, but had to comply with the rules.

It is still, and likely always be, a mystery as to why the trainer, who made the pads, put a used "slightly stiffened in spots, as if having been wet" (as described by the first Commissioner to hold the gauze strip) strip of gauze in the centre of a pad made of new gauze as prescribed. There was no scientific reason of any possibility of it causing damage, and there seems no explanation.

I can give a silly explanation myself, that Capetillo, was superstitious, and perhaps thought that there might be some old Mayan mystic qualities about incorporating a used pad. Since George Foreman is documented as having employed a local top witchdoctor in Zaire to lay anti-spell spells all over and under the ring for his Ali fight, all I can say it it's not 100% impossible.....maybe 99.999%

Edgarg, please tell us WHERE the Plaster came from???
Margo's trainer took the Fall, and i'm suprised, U missed the
obvious, and bought into the trainers transparent excuses...

[peps1904]

Kneegel can think whatever the **** he wants,he'll never know for sure, he wasn't man enought to go toe to toe and find out in the rematch.

[jbpanama]

Edgarg, please tell us WHERE the Plaster came from???
Margo's trainer took the Fall, and i'm suprised, U missed the
obvious, and bought into the trainers transparent excuses...

and how did George Foreman's Witch Doctor, get into the discussion???
If the California Commission told U that 2X2=5, would that work for U???

[jbpanama]

Kneegel can think whatever the **** he wants,he'll never know for sure, he wasn't man enought to go toe to toe and find out in the rematch.

Why go toe to toe, with a chump, when U can
give him a Boxing Lesson, and kick his Ass Too???

[David1976]

Cotto was class, both in the ring and in victory. I agree with Cotto's argument on how little damage he sustained on his face compared to their last fight. Margarito was still landing after all...

[MaguireKO1]

JBPANAMA you are a little slow aren't you. You said Margaritos career was tainted by his trainer and not him. Ha! Margarito 100% knew he had hard plaster in his wraps! Even someone who has never boxed before would say 'ah, hey dude are you sure you are allowed to put hard plaster in my wraps? Is that allowed?' So to argue that a pro-boxer would not take note of plaster being placed in his wraps is laughable! CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT!

[edgarg]

JBPANAMA you are a little slow aren't you. You said Margaritos career was tainted by his trainer and not him. Ha! Margarito 100% knew he had hard plaster in his wraps! Even someone who has never boxed before would say 'ah, hey dude are you sure you are allowed to put hard plaster in my wraps? Is that allowed?' So to argue that a pro-boxer would not take note of plaster being placed in his wraps is laughable! CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT!

You guys have one track crazy minds, like runaway trains. If you'd read-a BIG if- the actual legal document containing the Commission evidence and decisions, you would KNOW, that there was NO plaster..repeat..NO PLASTER, there was merely a single strip of used, slightly stiff in spots, gauze, inside a new knuckle pad whick of course was wrapped in with with new bandages. It took sophisticated lab equipment to find 2 traces of plaster-of-paris (but not the 3rd neccessary one) and it was not capable of causing any known damage) the whole thing wis really a farce.

Margatito was found NOT GULTY. What the Commission really said was "We find that you had NO knowledge of the illegal wraps, but as head of the team we must penalise you". Several of the Commission did not want to penalise him at all, so they compromised on making it the least penalty allowed under their Rules. It was a complete farce, except that it ruined Margarito's career. After the lab report came out showing the findings were harmless, Arum went to court to challenge them to show that the pads could have done any damage. They couldnt.

The 2 elements or TRACES of plaster-of-paris found are used in many thousands of other everyday manufactured goods, including very heavily in cosmetics, especially hand cream.
The gauze strip was handled by at least a dozen people before it reached the lab.
So get it into your head...the guy was innocent.

[edgarg]

Edgarg, please tell us WHERE the Plaster came from???
Margo's trainer took the Fall, and i'm suprised, U missed the
obvious, and bought into the trainers transparent excuses...

Panama, the trainer didn't make any excuses he took complete blame for using an illegal pad. But...there was NO PLASTER and no amount of repetition can make it that there was.It was amply proven by 2 different lab reports that there was NO PLASTER. There were traces of 2 ingredients of plaster-of-paris but the vital 3rd ingredient waas ABSENT..ABSENT. That meant that they were harmless. And even if that 3rd ingredient wss there, there wasn't any quantity to make anything. There were only TRACES. Like in cigarette smoke.

AND.. the labs said that those same 2 ingredients were very common, sulphur and calcium, and found in many thousands of common products, and very much used in COSMETICS. Other reports said that every kitchen in the world has both of these common items.

Since the gauze strip (yes that's all it was, a couple of inches of used gauze strip) was handled by about a dozen people before reaching the labs, the best explanation I've heard yet is that the traces came from hand cream. But...who knows. What I DO know, however, is that it was harmless to a fighter. And you can't get around that. The first Commissioner who handled it said "it was a little stiff in places as if it had been in water and dried".

Technically, it made the pad, and therefore the wraps illegal, and although some on the Commission didn't want to penalise him, their own Rules said "because you, are the head of the team" that he was guilty, so they gave him the least penalty allowable.

But that damned ******ity ruined his whole career, took his mind off his Mosley fight, etc.

You can't get around it. Read the WHOLE official LEGAL Commission decision. There was NO PLASTER, although the used gauze strip INSIDE the pads made the wraps illegal. i think it was even more harmless than that phony rap Richardson tried to hang on to Trinidad.