My thoughts on how to beat Floyd Mayweather

[$mannyFresh]

Pac still has the best chance of beating Floyd. Speed of both hand and foot along with a southpaw stance, and having Roach in your corner to help you adjust, might just be the recipe. I think people are buying into the JMM fight a little more than they should. Pac went in there and fought Marquez the way he was used to fighting him, and again, it didn't work. They had planned differently but weren't able to execute due to JMMs skill and experience with him. Not to mention, Marquez had been playing this fight out in his head for the past 4 years.

Floyd will be favored heavily to beat Pac, but as long as he is motivated, Pac will be the most dangerous fighter Floyd will have to fend off.

Keeping something in your pocket is also a good idea, IMO. If you show him all your cards in the first 4 rounds, he'll have you figured out by then. He won't KO you early so why not be patient?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Wh, wha, what????

The ignore function ain't that bad, it's funny because the only time I ever see his posts is when somebody else responds to him and they're usually left in disgust

[bMak]

not a chance in hell would chavez beat mayweather...........it would look like sweet p vs chavez all over again. the way to beat mayweather is with a long jab, combinations, & speed. welterweight tommy hearns.............

I completely left of the jab. Speed is important too, but Floyd showed us against Zab that speed alone isn't the answer.

You need a great jab to nullify Floyd's left hook. You'd need an even better one to stop his right lead and pull-counter. Welterweight Hearns would be ideal but even then he'd have to throw every last jab with authority, land enough of them, and he'd need to something else. Fighters like Floyd, Bernard, and Pernell have a way of taking an opponents best punch away from them- in Hearns case, the right hand. I won't spend much tome talking up a hypothetical matchup, but I do see tactics in Floyd's arsenal that could be very effective with a Hearns type.

I don't think punching in combination is the answer. It's never worked before and usually leads to a fighter wearing himself out physically and/or mentally. Per compubox, opponents land 16% oft sir punches on Floyd. That's 1 landed punch for about every 6 thrown. That's the type of frustration that led to guys like Oscar and Shane giving up, and Ortiz to jumping headbutts.

[Revilo]

Nope.

To beat Floyd you need to..........(googled)...................... *no results found*

I googled it and saw how Castillo did it back in 2003.

[americanbot]

Reality is Whitaker and Mayweather do not fight alike at all.

Mayweather had the toughest fights of his career against Castillo, who was Chavez's sparring partner and (although a very good fighter) definitely inferior to Chavez. Chavez had bead body punches, better defense, better at cutting off the ring, and definitely better at putting combinations together fluidly to the body and to the head.

You can make a pretty damn strong case for Chavez beating Mayweather.
That wasnt Mosley's best shot, seeing as Mosley 1. Was past prime and 2. Didnt have full leverage behind the shot. He simply straightened out the punch, instead of looping his entire body and back into it.

And DLH used the jab to the body and right hand to the head to hurt Mayweather as late as the 11th round in their fight. Yes, Mayweather is outstanding at adapting to fights, but you cant just ignore that its a viable weapon to use.

The reason its so effectively is actually because Mayweather's reactions are almost too good. He cant help but to react to the jab and try to block it, and it leaves him open for the right hand, either by him ducking down or trying to push aside the jab with his left hand, which both leave him open for a straight right hand.

the 2nd fight with castillo wasn't a tough fight at all........the augustus fight was much tougher then the 2nd castillo fight. speaking of sparring, a teenage mayweather would take it easy on Frankie Randall in sparring (the same frankie who gave chavez HELL)

i think chavez would get pot shotted, outboxed, & picked apart to a mayweather decision. you think the pressure would be too much. we will DEFINITELY agree to disagree with that one.

[Steak]

the 2nd fight with castillo wasn't a tough fight at all........the augustus fight was much tougher then the 2nd castillo fight. speaking of sparring, a teenage mayweather would take it easy Frankie Randall in sparring (the same frankie who gave chavez HELL)

i think chavez would get pot shotted, outboxed, & picked apart to a mayweather decision. you think the pressure would be too much. we will DEFINITELY agree to disagree with that one.

Chavez was fading fast by the time of the Randall fight. and sparring means absolutely nothing, or else I would have brought up Spadafora beating up on Mayweather in sparring. Its really pointless.
Not to mention that Randall and Mayweather dont fight alike whatsoever.

and even though Mayweather clearly won the Castillo rematch, theres no doubt that he was not comfortable in there, and it was one of the stylistically tougher fights of his career. Chavez was superior to Castillo in pretty much every way, and particularly in the ways that would matter(cutting off the ring, body punching and opening up the guard with precision punching).

[Doctor_Tenma]

Reality is Whitaker and Mayweather do not fight alike at all.

Mayweather had the toughest fights of his career against Castillo, who was Chavez's sparring partner and (although a very good fighter) definitely inferior to Chavez. Chavez had bead body punches, better defense, better at cutting off the ring, and definitely better at putting combinations together fluidly to the body and to the head.

Chavez probably beats that version of Floyd, but at 140 where Floyd was at his absolute peak, I'd say Floyd beats him. Floyd was still new to the LW division and Castillo was a huge LW, physically he was a lot stronger at 140 and more so right now.

[rambov]

I say that to beat floyd you would have to be a great pressure boxer/puncher.

[bMak]

Reality is Whitaker and Mayweather do not fight alike at all.

Mayweather had the toughest fights of his career against Castillo, who was Chavez's sparring partner and (although a very good fighter) definitely inferior to Chavez. Chavez had bead body punches, better defense, better at cutting off the ring, and definitely better at putting combinations together fluidly to the body and to the head.

You can make a pretty damn strong case for Chavez beating Mayweather.
That wasnt Mosley's best shot, seeing as Mosley 1. Was past prime and 2. Didnt have full leverage behind the shot. He simply straightened out the punch, instead of looping his entire body and back into it. Very respectable shot though.

And DLH used the jab to the body and right hand to the head to hurt Mayweather as late as the 11th round in their fight. Yes, Mayweather is outstanding at adapting to fights, but you cant just ignore that its a viable weapon to use.

The reason its so effectively is actually because Mayweather's reactions are almost too good. He cant help but to react to the jab and try to block it, and it leaves him open for the right hand, either by him ducking down or trying to push aside the jab with his left hand, which both leave him open for a straight right hand.

Last thing to go is your power. Mike Tyson could still KO heavyweights today, the problem is they wouldn't stand still with their arms down and allow him to take his shot. Your legs, speed, fluidity, stamina, coordination all go but punchers are always punchers- just heavy-handed men.

Disagree on the effectiveness of the punch- Shane got good leverage, followed through, and landed it completely flush while Floyd was relaxed.

As for Oscar, he didn't really attempt the flick to the body-right upstairs until late in the fight when he landed it. It wasn't something where he was doing it and having success with it all night. And he did not hurt Floyd with that punch, or any other for that matter.

[GrandpaBernard]

Be Pernell Whitaker or Roberto Duran

I'm not so sure Hearns would be able to beat Floyd if he didn't have that gigantic size advantage