My thoughts on how to beat Floyd Mayweather

[IMDAZED]

As you noted Mayweather was uncomfortable in the rematch against Castillo, I agree with you there, although he dominated he was uncomfortable because he couldn't pick and choose where he wanted to take the fight as Castillo was the bigger stronger guy.

So for Chavez to have had the same if not more success against Floyd, or make Floyd uncomfortable, he would have needed the same luxury Castillo had. Like I said, at 140 Floyd doesn't get pushed around and since coming back after the Hatton fight he has filled in, Floyd is different now. He may have lost a few things but he also gained some things too.

Floyd's first two bouts at 135 were against Castillo. Fighting the strongest guy in your division, an intelligent pressure fighter to boot, can definitely cause some discomfort. The second time was easier - though not easy - and I suspect that if Floyd would've had settled in a bit more at the weight, the fight wouldn't have deserved much discussion.

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[IronDanHamza]

Have an exceptional jab.

Very fast hands.

ATG skills and ability.

Be unpredictable.

Basic tools I believe you need before you can think about beating Mayweather.

Edit: Not necessarily need. Bad choice of words on my part.

More like; "The best or easiest way to be effective against him"

[Pez]

i agree with your #3. i believe a close range fight is mayweather's big weakness and that's why the fighter i would have given the best chance to beat floyd is....prime margarito, the one that beat cotto. no joke.

i know margarito is not the fastest, strongest, or most skilled, but he was a good pressure fighter and did it at a constant pace for the full 12. even if he was being outpointed and outboxed, he was always on top of you. the only way to keep him off was a power punch and floyd was never a big hitter.

another reason i give margarito the best chance is his ability to never mentally break down, an ability floyd also has. i notice a lot of floyd's opponent's break down after they realize they are being outclassed by a superior boxer, you can see it in their face when they go to their corner. when this happens, they just start going through the motions and lose their intent to win and ease off. with marg's mental strength, i think he would have tested floyd's own mental strength to its limits. put in anyone else other than marg with floyd and floyd will pick him apart mentally. i don't think floyd could do that to a prime marg though.

when i first heard other people say that margarito was the one to beat floyd, i laughed. but now i think i'm starting to see why they think that and it's actually not a crazy thought.

[americanbot]

Castillo doesnt fight like Chavez? youre joking right? Smart pressure fighting backed by excellent body punching and infighting expertise?

A very annoying myth is that Chavez had problem with movement and counter punching, which is actually very incorrect. Chavez dominated guys like that, just look at his fight with Camacho, John Duplessis and Lonnie Smith, with his outstanding ability to cut off the ring. Chavez stylistically had problem with volume punchers, because he would stay defensive for too long sometimes waiting for the opponent to finish, which would give that opponent the opportunity to steal rounds. We can see this by watching his fights with Sammy Fuentes and Meldrick Taylor, who stole a number of rounds in that fashion.

Whitaker won not because he fought on the outside, but actually because he was so good fighting on the inside...he fought on even terms with Chavez at that range, which took the play away from Chavez. Not to mention that he threw many more punches than Mayweather.

Saying it wouldnt be close is a bit ridiculous.

no. castillo & chavez didn't fight alike.........the only similarity to me is their stance & pressure. prime castillo could double up his punches MUCH better then chavez (on the inside & off the clinch) chavez was a better fighter then castillo but not in that regard........castillo would throw 5 6 punches while being clinched.

to me La Porte gave a prime chavez hell by movement & countering. but the gift was of course given to chavez..............when ever la porta would sit there & try to **** with chavez he'd get tagged. VOLUME PUNCHING IS THE OPPOSITE OF CHAVEZ'S WORRIES. volume punching did not trouble chavez.......volume punchers usually tired themselves out & got a beating. chavez's stamina was too good for most volume punchers because they'd just tire themselves out & he would then jump on them.

sweet p DID NOT BEAT CHAVEZ BY INSIDE FIGHTING. he beat chavez by standing in the center of the ring (moving) & making him miss..........whenever chavez missed he would just sock him & make him pay. sweet p also was consistently flickering that jab in julios face..........he did good inside work but thats not what won him the fight. his jab, movement, & countering won him the fight.








again. i see it as a clear decision for mayweather........

[Congressmanny]

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no. castillo & chavez didn't fight alike.........the only similarity to me is their stance & pressure. prime castillo could double up his punches MUCH better then chavez (on the inside & off the clinch) chavez was a better fighter then castillo but not in that regard........castillo would throw 5 6 punches while being clinched.

to me La Porte gave a prime chavez hell by movement & countering. but the gift was of course given to chavez..............when ever la porta would sit there & try to **** with chavez he'd get tagged. VOLUME PUNCHING IS THE OPPOSITE OF CHAVEZ'S WORRIES. volume punching did not trouble chavez.......volume punchers usually tired themselves out & got a beating. chavez's stamina was too good for most volume punchers because they'd just tire themselves out & he would then jump on them.

sweet p DID NOT BEAT CHAVEZ BY INSIDE FIGHTING. he beat chavez by standing in the center of the ring (moving) & making him miss..........whenever chavez missed he would just sock him & make him pay. sweet p also was consistently flickering that jab in julios face..........he did good inside work but thats not what won him the fight. his jab, movement, & countering won him the fight.








again. i see it as a clear decision for mayweather........call me crazy.

You make good points. But Chavez at 135 would've been a handful. That said, I still believe the one guy made to beat Floyd was Hearns. One punch power, deceptive, excellent jab and boxing skills and a long well-sculpted frame that would negate Mayweather's reach (an advantage no one ever discusses). Look at that gif of Oscar landing that right after flicking out the jab. Think Hearns-Duran.

[tennishero]

the f@ggotary on this thread is of note

especially for a bum who hasnt had a single legit good win in his entire career- except for ricky hatton- LOL

[Everywhere]

Use this fabled "foot stomp" trick that made Manny "Pacmen" Pacquiao so frustrated...other than that I could probably only stop Mayweather with a bat, a folding chair, or a pistol.

[shadeyfizzle]

Its impossible to sustain a body attack against floyd. You'll just take 5-6 elbows to the face for your trouble without landing anything significant. So scratch that off your list ts.