Did Cotto Quit In The First Fight Against Tony?

[BoxingGenius27]

I hope that isn't directed at me bro, that would be pretty assinine if it was because I didn't say anythig of the sort. Nonetheless, that is exactly the sort of beating Cotto took. Marg couldn't KO him but he busted him up to the point where he gave up on victory. Like I said previously, the WAY he lost, him running from Marg and taking a knee without another punch being thrown tells me he was mentally broken by that point. That's usually 10 times worse than a physical beating.

Nah man. It was directed at the keyboard couch warriors that don't know the difference.

You're a good poster though.

[TintaBoricua]

dude a few seconds before he took the first knee he was still throwing bombs at tony. He still had energy he just got hurt from the short uppercuts and decided enough was enough. He did not want to get beat up more he even says it himself how can you say he didnt quit? He says it he quit bc he didnt deserve to get beat up not bc he was tired. He also like a true puto says he would do it again. :gay:

So...lemme ask you a question...should he have continued in that fight with the way he looked and acted (arms down, full retreat, bloodied and battered, tired)? I mean...a lot of us here (not me, though) are criticizing Cotto for the knee but if he had gone out on his shield he would've still been ridiculed. I mean, look at your sig gif. You got Juanma López (who you've criticized after the loss)...yet he went out on his shield and kept firing the way "a Mexican should". Seems to me like Cotto saved himself the trouble of taking unnecessary punishment.

Hell, even in hindsight and three years later, there's not a single person person out there who can honestly tell me that Cotto could've turned that fight around in his condition during that 11th round. Iron-chinned Margarito? Margarito...the guy that took over 100+ power punches from Sugar Shane Mosley and was still smiling on the canvas?

This is what would've happened if Evangelista hadn't gone up on the apron...

Bayless counts to 8, waves them in, Cotto tries to slide away, gets caught in Tony's corner, tries to block the punches, gets pinned in there with Margarito raining down punches, they're splitting the guard, Cotto slumps down with Bayless stepping in. A repeat of Taylor-Pavlik I.

I give that to you. It is mental also. But your body can only take so much.

Ever notice how the guys that have 1 punch KO power don't kill anyone. But fighters that have just enough power to hurt you, but not KO you, do kill?

Here's my theory. Margarito had just enough power to hurt and make Cotto bleed, but not knock him out. But I guess Cotto was suppose to lay against the ropes and let Marg beat on him to impress some posters on boxingscene.

Apparently that's the case.

I think I'm with Reed and bazooka on this one.

Did he quit? Yes. Should he be ashamed of it? No.

He gave a valiant effort and really put on a tremendous performance. Margarito was just the better man that night. He fought a very hard fight but made key mistakes by playing to Margarito's strength.

No shame with how he went out. Shameful is what you call something like Durán in his second Leonard fight. He was getting outboxed and humiliated and just called it quits...just like that. He wasn't in danger, he wasn't getting busted up. That was embarrassing.

[-Kev-]

I went through this whole thread and a lot of people that are saying Cotto did not quit are making good points. But I am in the group that says he quit. And I think it is very obvious that Cotto looked at his corner for help. Like, if you're really trying to twist that little body language in to something else, I have to question your agenda. Cotto looked at his corner to help him, end the fight, get him out of there. I think that Cotto had the legs to retreat, but he just quit cause he didn't want to take any more punishment. I believe he had the stamina to go 12 rounds, but just didn't have the skill and heart to outbox and or retreat from Margarito. He gave up.

[BoxingGenius27]

I went through this whole thread and a lot of people that are saying Cotto did not quit are making good points. But I am in the group that says he quit. And I think it is very obvious that Cotto looked at his corner for help. Like, if you're really trying to twist that little body language in to something else, I have to question your agenda. Cotto looked at his corner to help him, end the fight, get him out of there. I think that Cotto had the legs to retreat, but he just quit cause he didn't want to take any more punishment. I believe he had the stamina to go 12 rounds, but just didn't have the skill and heart to outbox and or retreat from Margarito. He gave up.

Kev, you know I respect you man. But you're off on this one when you say he quit. But I won't press you bro.

[jazluvr]

lol do you have split personality or something... I remember you specifically saying..

" I actually like Cotto man, I just like riling up the Cotto stans"

Yeah, it's Jack. He pm'd me before he got one of his bans one time saying he likes Cotto...and offered to make me a Cotto sig...lol. He's entertaining in his quest to exonerate his God...

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I give that to you. It is mental also. But your body can only take so much.

Ever notice how the guys that have 1 punch KO power don't kill anyone. But fighters that have just enough power to hurt you, but not KO you, do kill?

Here's my theory. Margarito had just enough power to hurt and make Cotto bleed, but not knock him out.

That is very true, your body when taking that kind of punishment and going through what Miguel went through sooner or later will shut off weather you want to move on or not.

[Da Boxer]

Me personally... I think he got beaten to the point where he just couldn't fight anymore... the guy had nothing left... he was exhausted, his face was covered in blood, battered and beat, his legs had nothing left, he could barely stand anymore.

I'd say he fought as long and as hard as his body could let him.

I'd never label someone like Cotto a quitter...

At the end of the day, it's an opinionated topic, that's mine.

This is correct. Did Cotto quit? I guess you could call it that. But did he "quit" after leaving everything on the ring that night, Fugg Yeah!

Why get FTFO (which was not going to happend since Margarito hit him with some brutal hits and he was absorbing all) or get hurt even further. He was done, out of gas and smoked.

At least it was not like Oscar de La Hoya not coming out or Julio Cesar Chavez Sr....Mex pride and glory. Or more recently out of F E A R, like Mayorca after Cotto pounded that azz (on which I belive that Cotto was toying around with to get rounds in....ako: Margarito vs. Garcia lol).

Did he quit, yeah but not due to Fear. Avoiding further damage does not means you are a *****. Do the MMA/UFC fighters tapping out = quit ?? No, it means you beat me fair and square, no reason to end up with a broken arm, and Ill move out and fight another day.


You Margarito nughugers need to wake up.

[JOM'S]

yes but at least he did tried his best to win it and probabaly gave all he can give, but he reach a point that he could not take the punishment he was recieving anymore ....

[AlwaysOnTop]

Jake Lamotta Never Quit and he was fine even in old age

Changohater..????????????????????????

You insecure little bi.tch

I should change my name to wet.back-stomper...

[roademier]

surrender, retire, withdraw, resign
all could mean the same thing ,it's just that the word quit has a much more negative connotation to it.
Cotto was taking immense punishment when he realized he was done and had nothing left except to receive more of a beating.
I respect Miguel more for taking the knee than Tony taking that ridiculous beating at the hands of Pacquiao although Marg should share the blame with his corner, the ref and the ringside doctor. What does it prove? That he's as stubborn as Tex Cobb and no one is looking after his better interests.