[VIDEO] Robert Garcia: Fighters cant have cotto MENTALITY

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  • figzuki
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    #21
    Originally posted by TintaBoricua
    What is that like, though? What's it like when you're at a high altitude?

    They say oxygen's thinner and whatnot, but does it like feel different when you're breating? Do you have to take deeper breaths to get the normal amount of oxygen you normally get? How different does one exactly feel at a high altitude compared to being at sea level?

    I've ran here and there in PR but can I get a general idea of what it's like when you're, for example, running somewhere like in the mountains?
    there's less oxygen at higher altitudes...

    i've talked to a lot of the sub guys in the navy (i'm int he navy and thank god i'm not a sub guy) and they say that normally when they are underway in a sub they keep the oxygen around 17-18%!!! thats like being at high altitude. Whenever they come up for fresh air at sea level they get high!!! cuz they are getting so much o2 in their bloodstream and they can't go to sleep after that. Like when they are doing fire drills they crank up the oxygen so they get more energy and stay awake, when they go on watch, they turn it down and they feel sluggish....

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    • Cuauhtémoc1520
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      #22
      Originally posted by TintaBoricua
      What is that like, though? What's it like when you're at a high altitude?

      They say oxygen's thinner and whatnot, but does it like feel different when you're breating? Do you have to take deeper breaths to get the normal amount of oxygen you normally get? How different does one exactly feel at a high altitude compared to being at sea level?

      I've ran here and there in PR but can I get a general idea of what it's like when you're, for example, running somewhere like in the mountains?
      It's just like that when your not used to it. The air seems thinner, meaning you can't get oxygen to you with the same breath. It's weird, it takes time to adjust to it and people that are raised in it all their lives definitely have an advantage.

      Originally posted by kimmiblob
      I think its pre breed in their mind set. Asains and Mexicans are very similar when it comes to core values. They are probably the proudest people you will ever meet.
      This is true.

      Originally posted by figzuki
      i understand what you're saying meng....
      You know I got respect for your boy.

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      • Hallaqsillaq
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        #23
        Originally posted by TintaBoricua
        What is that like, though? What's it like when you're at a high altitude?

        They say oxygen's thinner and whatnot, but does it like feel different when you're breating? Do you have to take deeper breaths to get the normal amount of oxygen you normally get? How different does one exactly feel at a high altitude compared to being at sea level?

        I've ran here and there in PR but can I get a general idea of what it's like when you're, for example, running somewhere like in the mountains?
        Think about engines, where at high altitude (places like Denver, CO), naturally aspirated engines suffer greatly due to the decreased density of oxygen in the air.

        You'd need some type of supercharged air to get the same amount of air into the engine to make the same power you'd make at sea level.

        Our lungs are our engine, you could say. It pumps air in and out. So it would be natural you have the same effects.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
          I don't know man, Mexican boxer mostly train in high altitudes because of the elevation in Mexico City and other places in Mexico.

          Big Bear California has been training camp to some of the best American boxers, including Mosley and DLH. I have never heard anything but positive things from them and I don't see it being a negative issue for this or any other fight.

          I have myself trained in high altitudes and can tell you that you are in better shape when training at those elevation levels and I don't seem to get the same here in Florida that is basically at sea level.

          Just me but I don't think it will be a negative IMO.

          Interesting, thanks for the response. I find the different theory on hi altitudes very interesting. Not sure which is the best method but Im sure theres lots of room for debate.


          one of the things that Margs camp might be concerned about is simple overtraining, It seems like he has been going at it for a long time in anticipation of this fight, its great to be in shape but Ive seen fights where guys come out and have spectacular looking physics , had a great camp and such but just dont got when they step on the pedal. The extra pounds should help him but hopefully he didnt pack on too much muscle with all his hard fitness.

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          • Grimmer
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            #25
            It's a sport. It's disciplined, not a barbaric street fight. Nothing wrong with Cotto's mentality, he loves his family and his kids more than fighting, anyone who doesn't shouldn't have a family.

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              #26
              Originally posted by English_Lion
              I can understand some of the criticism that is put against cotto because of his moments of Retreating and going defensive in the ring or when he took the knee against Margarito, but alot of it is exaggerated especially by the Pro Margarito Camp.

              He took alot of punishment by pacman and still boxed until the end when the ref stopped the fight. margarito was using concrete bricks for hands against him, so i think that explains why cotto fought the way he did towards the end of that bout.
              His face looked almost exactly the same after the pac fight so does that mean that pac used concrete too ????

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              • killacash
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                #27
                Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
                I honestly think it's genetics. I think it's the big ass heads Mexicans and Asians have because if you notice, Asians have great chins as well.
                Just a question, now genetics could be the case but I also think it has to do with the environment as well. I just think its due to the gyms training and how they weed out certain folks. Think about how Shane Mosely grew up boxing with the Mexicans in Cali, I observed that the environment in "most" Mexican gyms encourage that you sit and **** it with each other and if one quits their heart is questioned with insults by the trainer or peers(I call it tough love). Therefore weeding out the weak/average chins early and when the smoke clears the guy gifted with granite chin and/or power emerges.

                Whereas in other gyms that encourage the "hit n dont get hit" mentality. Doesnt encourage the boxer to sit and trade but rather box and move and those with average/weak chins can slip through the cracks cause their whole style is on not getting hit and could be gifted with speed and agility to avoid shots.

                Personal question, now everyone knows Mexicans are known for their granite chins but what makes you say asians as well? From current boxers I only known of Pacquiao and Gerry Penalosa as having hard chins and for awhile Ji Hoon Kim had a crazy chin for a minute. Definitely not insuating that asians have weak chins cause every race/ethnicity have their weak chins blacks,ricans,asians,mexicans,whites etc.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by killacash
                  Just a question, now genetics could be the case but I also think it has to do with the environment as well. I just think its due to the gyms training and how they weed out certain folks. Think about how Shane Mosely grew up boxing with the Mexicans in Cali, I observed that the environment in "most" Mexican gyms encourage that you sit and **** it with each other and if one quits their heart is questioned with insults by the trainer or peers(I call it tough love). Therefore weeding out the weak/average chins early and when the smoke clears the guy gifted with granite chin and/or power emerges.

                  Whereas in other gyms that encourage the "hit n dont get hit" mentality. Doesnt encourage the boxer to sit and trade but rather box and move and those with average/weak chins can slip through the cracks cause their whole style is on not getting hit and could be gifted with speed and agility to avoid shots.

                  Personal question, now everyone knows Mexicans are known for their granite chins but what makes you say asians as well? From current boxers I only known of Pacquiao and Gerry Penalosa as having hard chins and for awhile Ji Hoon Kim had a crazy chin for a minute. Definitely not insuating that asians have weak chins cause every race/ethnicity have their weak chins blacks,ricans,asians,mexicans,whites etc.
                  You make some good points, I think environment means a lot as well. In Mexican gyms going hard is a big part of it no doubt. I have been to gyms in Mexico City where the smell alone is something most can't handle...lol.

                  I know of Japanese fighters to have great chins, a lot of the Asian fighters have that and the reason I said Asian and Mexican is because genetically we are very similar. (even though a lot won't admit it)

                  There is something there to genetics though because Mexicans have been known to take a punch for some reason and I think it has something to do with it. Black fighters tend to have a lot of speed....and so on.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by kimmiblob
                    *** Robert Garcia!

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                    • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by PRPOWERPUNCHES
                      *** Robert Garcia!
                      What he says is the truth, it's the job of the ref and corner to stop the fight. That's what they are there for.

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