Comments Thread For: Team Pacquiao Cracks? Ariza Rips Arum, Koncz Over Floyd

[chito]

If it was sour g****s then I would never have given Pac props for beating Cotto after I said he wouldn't. That means that I am a man of my word and know how to give due when it's due. That's more than I can say about Pac's die hard fans. Doesn't mean that the fight with Cotto at 145 is a better look then the one at 147 because you don't have to be a Pac hater or lover to know that a win over Cotto for his title at 147 is better than a win for his title at 145. Are you debating this? This is a boxing website where people make predictions all day, everyday. Some wrong, some right but it is what it is.

even if pac & cotto fought at the 147 limit, cotto would still lose, imo! so what's your point?

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The thing is why would Ariza risk going up against the most powerful promoter in boxing and risk losing his job? I'm not buying it and like I said we all know how this is gonna end "EXACTLY LIKE ARUM WANTS IT". Roach aint going against Arum. Ariza is so replaceable it's like peanuts, not only that but it's also very easy for Arum to shut down his whole career. Dont get it twisted my dude, Arum holds all the cards over there.

Because sometimes you just want to do the right thing and speak up against foulness exspecially when it is for someone that you consider a friend. Also, what Ariza said is what we already know. Atleast those of us who are not blinded by the Arum smoke screen.

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even if pac & cotto fought at the 147 limit, cotto would still lose, imo! so what's your point?

I'm not doubting Pac would. My point is that the win would look and be more legit if it was for Cotto's title at 147 instead of 145 because that is the weight class Cotto won the belt at. Is it that hard to understand?

[mikemurni]

You talk **** , what weight was Margos tune up fight 154 , and how long was the time between Margos last 147 weigh-in and fighting Pac , nearly 3 yrs , Margo was weight drained at 150 .

Cotto was also handicapped by a bull**** CW and was damaged goods , thats why Roach cherry picked Cotto and the CW sealed it .

Why does Pac need a CW seeing as it handicaps the opponent , if you need a handicap to win and it is you who forces the handicap , your a fake !

So what?? Mosley fought Mayorga at 154, and then moved down to fight Marg at 147...He had a one year layoff before he fought Floyd, and it is still one of Floyd's best wins since his second fight with Castillo.. It doesnt mean anything..

Are you saying that Floyd is handicapping Mosley for fighting him at 147, instead of 154??

You can even say that Cotto is handicapping Pac at 147 for making him move up at 145, when he only had one fight at 147...

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why such hostility ? I want the fight to happen but relax a little man.
Both sides ar to blame for the fight not happening, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumb c**t.
Mayweather has been runnin arpund yelln "take the test" for 2 yrs. Instead, he should have been yellin, Manny, be a man and step up and fight me - put the pressure on Manny.
but, we all know that arum doesnt want the fight, especially aftr the Marquez III fight. Arum thinks he can take the $$$ wit him wen he dies and he cant. He dont give a f**k about boxing fans, and neither does floyd

Come on man.....

You said this " Both sides are to blame for the fight not happening ".....

And then you said this..... " we all know that arum d,oesnt want the fight ".

Why are you blaming both sides, when you appear to be well-aware that Arum has been road-blocking that fight?

Manny could have simply taken a harmless blood test, just like Mosley did, just like Ortiz did, and just like anyone else would do.

Lets not forget exactly why that fight died in the first place.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/pacquiao-...day-cut--27427

http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde..._report_t.html

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really? canelo and chavez jr are perfect examples of hypejobs. pacquiao won his first legit world title and lineal title when he knocked out chatchai sasakul at the age of 19. pac then went on to destroy ledwaba who was a champion and rising star in the 122 lb division..barely anyone gave pac a shot at winning that fight but he did. soon after ledwaba, pac moved up in weight and fought and destroyed barrera who was the BEST guy at the fw division and a top ten p4p'er at the time. freddie roach wanted pac to take a tune up fight before barrera, but pac wanted barrera first! pac could have taken it easy after barrera but he went after juan manuel marquez..after marquez he again moved up in weight and fought morales. although he lost to morales, you have to give him props for immediately fighting one of the best in the 130 division rather than taking a tune up to adjust to the weight change. I could go on, but just because pac's recent opponents haven't been the best doesn't mean you can just completely discredit all he has done.

I agree.

It means that any ATG assertions are absurd, and wildly misplaced.

Manny is a terrific fighter, just nowhere near as good as he is hyped to be.

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Good one Joe.

*** off tatang, you idiot.

Just a reminder..... I did not put you on ignore for ******ity, it was for dishonesty, the same kind of stunt that you are trying to pull now.

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squatz and oatz

I saw your sig

To be fair, bombs is one of the Pac fans who admitted that he thought Marquez won the fight.

Credit where credit is due.

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So what?? Mosley fought Mayorga at 154, and then moved down to fight Marg at 147...He had a one year layoff before he fought Floyd, and it is still one of Floyd's best wins since his second fight with Castillo.. It doesnt mean anything..

Are you saying that Floyd is handicapping Mosley for fighting him at 147, instead of 154??

You can even say that Cotto is handicapping Pac at 147 for making him move up at 145, when he only had one fight at 147...

We are not talking about Mosley we are talking about Margo and Cotto , why do assume if one fighter can do something it means they all can , your right what Floyd and Mosley do concerning weight has nothing at all to do with Cotto and Margo , concerning weight you got to look at the individual because everybody is unique in their own way , but as usual you boys like to jump all over the place to steer away from the point in question .

Margo could not make 150 without diuretics , if you know weight you know why .

Margo had not been 147 for 3 yrs , had a long lay of as well as aging , then the next hint is his comeback was 154 , then the diuretics found in his dressing room making 150 , rumors around the gyms going into the Pac fight were that he was having trouble with weight , and now he refuses 150 with Cotto and demands 154 ,,,,,, dont muddy the pool with **** just stick to whats relevant to those in question .

Manny has had his opponents made to order , all just a part of the hype that fanboys swallow , it will fold like a deck of cards if he fights Floyd .

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Alex Ariza needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut, he keeps forgetting his place in the food chain, he just a strength and conditioning coach.

what possible good did he think was going to come from this rant, does he really think that this 'rant' was going to have any sway on any potential future negotiations.

smh @ the ******ity

Hold on, I cant stand that ****head either, but he has informed the blissfully ignorant as to who is really road-blocking that fight..... and if enough people smarten up and are honest about the situation, he may even end up forcing the issue on this one.

*** Bob Arum, sure, but the only reason why that fight has not happened yet boils down to Pacquiao's ignorant fanbase.

Arum works for Pac (apparently), Pac chooses his opponents according to Bob Arum (apparently), but the fans dictate the market, and they have not stepped up and told Manny that they are sick of him pimping himself to Arum by fighting nothing but faded old men who just so happen to be contracted to Top Rank.

Yes, Manny is to blame, you bet..... but his fanbase keep paying to watch him fight little old ladies, so this scam is enabled by either their ******ity or their ignorance, and neither is acceptable.

You can try to tell me that his fans were justified because they believed Bob Arum's bull**** that a grown man who chose to be a professional fighter and has dominated the sport for 15 years suddenly got "scared"..... but how fkn ****** can you be?

You can try to tell me that his fans were justified because they believed Bob Arum's bull**** when he stated that he genuinely tried to negotiate that fight..... even though less than 1 day after his "deadline" expired, the same deadline that Arum insisted he had personally negotiated with GBP, he was forced to admit that neither he nor Ross Greenburg had ever spoken with anyone from GBP..... and 6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first-hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stated that..... "there were no official negotiations" !!

HONESTLY, how fkn ****** can you be ?

Sure, it is likely that Manny got played as well, but he is riding along with this circus, and..... MANNY KNOWS !!..... but his ignorant fanbase are the enablers, they are ones who have paid for this to happen.

Ariza knows that he doesnt work for Arum, and even though he has a higher opinion of himself than is justified, he knows that Arum cant touch him..... also, Ariza has balls, a big mouth, and he dont give a ****.

He informed the ignorant, they should thank him, but I bet they wont, you can tell by some of the still-ignorant comments in this thread..... like the one you made.