Comments Thread For: Team Pacquiao Cracks? Ariza Rips Arum, Koncz Over Floyd

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Margarito last fight before his tune up was 147. His career before that was 147. People knew him as 147 fighter before that. The 150 was a bonus for Marg considering that Pac himself said after the Cotto that 147 was his limit.. He didnt have to move up at 150 because he was the guy who can dictate the terms anyway, but he did so anyway...

You're a moron, if Cotto-Pac was not a legit fight then the odds wouldnt be 2-1 going in. If it wasnt a legit win, then the Pac-Mayweather would have not intensified in Dec 2009, after he won his fight with Cotto.. ANd you are looking at the perspective on Cotto only anyway (which is what *****s does) considering that Pac was also moving to 147 too. Cotto didnt even have to complain about the lose because he was beaten straight up by a better fighter...And moron 2 to 1 odds is not a cherrypick.. If so provide a fight that is one?? ..lol..

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for Manny..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, Pac demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for Manny, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275865

Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

I need to ask you a question.....

How could an " achievement " possibly be regarded as " great ", when it could have been performed by a number people?

Not only would that battered, faded, shop-worn, 145lb version of Cotto, been beaten by a number of welter's, he may have even been beaten by a couple of the top jww's coming up..... hell, even the old lightweight Marquez that fought Pac 2 weeks ago would have decisioned that version of Cotto.

Get real, that was a classic cherry-pick, and you are one of the gullibles mentioned earlier.

[Pinoy Pride]

If past behavior is any indicator of future bahavior than Mayweather is scared and does not want this fight.

[LeadUppercut]

even if pac & cotto fought at the 147 limit, cotto would still lose, imo! so what's your point?

1.) the opinion of one fanboy is not definitive, most genuine boxing fans would prefer to have seen that for themselves

2.) because Pacquiao would not fight Cotto as 147, I can ALWAYS say that Cotto would have beaten him, regardless as to my actual opinion

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Why did Pacquiao demean his own " achievement " ?

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If past behavior is any indicator of future bahavior than Mayweather is scared and does not want this fight.

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You pig-ignorant ***go7s dont even realise that you have enabled, and so therefore caused, this whole situation. It is unbelievable that human beings can regard themselves so highly, even though they are so extremely ******.

[LeadUppercut]

If past behavior is any indicator of future bahavior than Mayweather is scared and does not want this fight.

OMG, you fkn idiot.

I just noticed 3 things.....

1.) you have just joined

2.) puga and Check_hooks are listed in your sig as your favorite posters

3.) you have nothing to be " proud " about

Die slowly.

[GRUSTLER]

OMG, you fkn idiot.

I just noticed 3 things.....

1.) you have just joined

2.) puga and Check_hooks are listed in your sig as your favorite posters

3.) you have nothing to be " proud " about

Die slowly.

Yo Lead, I honestly think that Pinoy Pride is on here to poke fun at Pac's fans. Hilarious how he replies to their posts.

[Free Uncle Tua]

Ariza is the man!

[GRUSTLER]

Pacquiao's hype

Please unfasten your seat belts. The ride is coming to a stop.

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No thanks, I got no brains of an imbecile like you do. PERIOD?

Originally Posted by SpitBalla
If he (Floyd) wasn't a boxer, he'd be serving you fires at a Burger King.

Originally Posted bypuga
theres no point of accusaing pac of being on peds then...
even if he is , who gives a ****

Damn!!! are those chicks hot for you??? those two are man-looking and have been operated on....you're more feminine looking than them...lol

Don't be offended BUt it makes u a Pac hater because u r just a poster here in boxingscene.. Unless u r a media sports writer, a boxingscene employee who post as part of your job, or in one of a Big name in the Circle of boxing, your Pac hate's POst will still be a hate Post and would be irrelevant outsibe BoxingScene..

[mikemurni]

We are not talking about Mosley we are talking about Margo and Cotto , why do assume if one fighter can do something it means they all can , your right what Floyd and Mosley do concerning weight has nothing at all to do with Cotto and Margo , concerning weight you got to look at the individual because everybody is unique in their own way , but as usual you boys like to jump all over the place to steer away from the point in question .

Margo could not make 150 without diuretics , if you know weight you know why .

Margo had not been 147 for 3 yrs , had a long lay of as well as aging , then the next hint is his comeback was 154 , then the diuretics found in his dressing room making 150 , rumors around the gyms going into the Pac fight were that he was having trouble with weight , and now he refuses 150 with Cotto and demands 154 ,,,,,, dont muddy the pool with **** just stick to whats relevant to those in question .

Manny has had his opponents made to order , all just a part of the hype that fanboys swallow , it will fold like a deck of cards if he fights Floyd .

Thats a ****** excuse, and you know it. You said that Cotto couldnt make it at 147, so I gave you an example about another fighter who had moved down, and still be effective, and now you are shVtting it down by saying that every fighter is unique...lol...

What makes you so sure that Cotto and Marg had a hard time making 145 and 150 respectively in the first place..lol...Neither fighter used the excuse about weight after they got dominated...And both their training camp was sayin' that they were both in great shape going in to the fight, and has maintained that stance even after they lose..I think of all people they would know, right??

And lol on 3 years.. His last fight with Mosley was just 2 years back, and it was only 2 years because he got suspended for a year. Its not like he was campaigning at 154 during that period.. He fought at 154 after 1 year of suspension to get in shape..

In any case, those 2 fighters didnt fight like a weight drained fighter at all. They just got outclassed plain and simple...

[mikemurni]

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for Manny..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, Pac demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for Manny, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275865

Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

I need to ask you a question.....

How could an " achievement " possibly be regarded as " great ", when it could have been performed by a number people?

Not only would that battered, faded, shop-worn, 145lb version of Cotto, been beaten by a number of welter's, he may have even been beaten by a couple of the top jww's coming up..... hell, even the old lightweight Marquez that fought Pac 2 weeks ago would have decisioned that version of Cotto.

Get real, that was a classic cherry-pick, and you are one of the gullibles mentioned earlier.

He had 2 fights after the Marg fight.. And Clottey is not an easy fighter to beat to begin with.. Marg in his prime had a hard time beating Clottey too..

And lol on digital journal.. Why dont you take news source from ESPN, Yahoo, and SI.. Dan Rafael, who had been accused of riding the Pac bandwagon, even bet on Cotto winning the fight...