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  • SWEETSCIENCE100
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    #61
    Originally posted by MJ223
    TS I respect your passion right.... But have you ever considered that the fighters you are talking about are ATG's who for the most part were more active??? Check Floyds resume and give me one man that could compete with the Fab Five (Hagler,Hearns,Leonard,Duran,Benitez) When your done doing that tell me how do you compare SRR vs Lamotta and Duran vs Leonard <---- (ATG's and Lamotta was a MW mind u) against Mayweather vs Hatton and May vs Chavez hahah.... Hatton and Chavez while both good fighters will never be considered ATG's.... Your reaching

    Disclaimer: I'm a Mayweather fan and he certainly competes in any era but to say any man from any generation beats any and all men is naive at best and ****ing ridiculous at worst
    None of the ATG that were mentioned in this thread were considered to be atg when they were currently fighting. It was only after they retired or were timely removed from thier prime. You guys dont see it now because Floys is active. Years after he is gone from the game, the world will look back and agree with me and millions of others. You asked what fighters could have competed with the other all time greats.

    Diego C., at 135 is one of the most dangerous puching game changers in the history of the sport. His rough and tough hard hitting style would have made him a definite threat to any lightweight in the history of boxing. Not to mention his big a$$ lion heart!
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    Zab judah, reguardless of what you think was not consistant but at times when he was on, he was on. When in top shape and in his prime would have cause anybody problems at 140, and possiably koed a few of the greats with that killer uppercut!
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    Arturo gatti, a straight killer at 135. His never die attitude and tnt in both hands made him a killer that could ko anybody he could land a punch on!

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    Ricky Hatton, even though hes garbage today. At one time he was a very feared man at 140, and once even favored to be the first to stop Mayweather!! How quickly we forget!!

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    Theres still Moesly, de la hoya,Jesus Chavez,Jose Luis Castillo, and Juan Manuel Marquez. All who could have competed against the best in history with a chance of victory. Mayweather has dominated them all.
    Last edited by SWEETSCIENCE100; 11-19-2011, 12:34 PM.

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    • bojangles1987
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      #62
      Far from impossible. There are very few I think would definitely beat Mayweather, but more than a fair share of fighters in those weights would at least have damn good chances. Impossible is ridiculous to say.

      When you're talking 135-147, you're talking a large majority of the greatest fighters to ever step in a ring.

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      • Shogunofharlem1
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        #63
        Originally posted by yesir
        totally disagree. the only person i see giving him a reall hard time b/c of range is Hearns. hed outbox DLh and SRL imo
        Personally I just dont see him getting passed heavy workrates like leonard especially considering I dont see him working Leonard over on the ropes like he does other fighters but thats just my opinion. I see a DLH fight being extremely close. I could see floyd outboxing him but I could also see Hoya outworking floyd.

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          #64
          Originally posted by Shogunofharlem1
          Personally I just dont see him getting passed heavy workrates like leonard especially considering I dont see him working Leonard over on the ropes like he does other fighters but thats just my opinion. I see a DLH fight being extremely close. I could see floyd outboxing him but I could also see Hoya outworking floyd.
          i edited my post. SRL would push him super hard but i think floyds offense and defense over come it. floyds defense would cut his workrate.

          cant see DLH out working floyd

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            #65
            Originally posted by bojangles1987
            Far from impossible. There are very few I think would definitely beat Mayweather, but more than a fair share of fighters in those weights would at least have damn good chances. Impossible is ridiculous to say.

            When you're talking 135-147, you're talking a large majority of the greatest fighters to ever step in a ring.
            he was talking about fighters of today, this era

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            • MJ223
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              #66
              Originally posted by SWEETSCIENCE100
              None of the ATG that were mentioned in this thread were considered to be atg when they were currently fighting. It was only after they retired or were timely removed from thier prime. You guys dont see it now because Floys is active. Years after he is gone from the game, the world will look back and agree with me and millions of others. You asked what fighters could have competed with the other all time greats.

              Diego C., at 135 is one of the most dangerous puching game changers in the history of the sport. His rough and tough hard hitting style would have made him a definite threat to any lightweight in the history of boxing. Not to mention his big a$$ lion heart!
              https://<iframe width="420" height="...reen></iframe>

              Zab judah, reguardless of what you think was not consistant but at times when he was on, he was on. When in top shape and in his prime would have cause anybody problems at 140, and possiably koed a few of the greats with that killer uppercut!
              https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>


              Arturo gatti, a straight killer at 135. His never die attitude and tnt in both hands made him a killer that could ko anybody he could land a punch on!

              https://<iframe width="420" height="...reen></iframe>

              Ricky Hatton, even though hes garbage today. At one time he was a very feared man at 140, and once even favored to be the first to stop Mayweather!! How quickly we forget!!

              https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>



              Theres still Moesly, de la hoya,Jesus Chavez,Jose Luis Castillo, and Juan Manuel Marquez. All who could have competed against the best in history with a chance of victory. Mayweather has dominated them all.
              You have more boxing to watch..... I'm not saying hes (Mayweather) not one I actually agree with you he is an ATG but he doesn't have another set of ATGs in this area to compete with like say the Fab Five... Hof'ers on his resume maybe ATGs at the moment no..... Funny you should post those fighters also..... In order and according to the weight they fought at

              135 Roberto Duran kills any version of Chico.... (RIP)

              140 Wilfred Benitez does to Judah what May did.... Beat him for 10 rds.....

              135 Gatti wouldn't touch Esteban De Jesus

              140 Antonio Cervantes could box and what did Hatton struggle with???

              Question b4 we go any further..... Of the guys listed how many have you actually seen fight??? Also how many May fights have you watched???
              Last edited by MJ223; 11-19-2011, 12:59 PM.

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              • bojangles1987
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                #67
                Originally posted by yesir
                he was talking about fighters of today, this era
                I saw a bunch of posts mentioning guys like Leonard and Hearns and Duran, assumed he meant all time.

                I still wouldn't say it's impossible for anyone between 135-147 to beat him of fighters today, it's just unlikely.

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                • SWEETSCIENCE100
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by MJ223
                  You have more boxing to watch..... I'm not saying hes (Mayweather) not one I actually agree with you he is an ATG but he doesn't have another set of ATGs in this area to compete with like say the Fab Five... Hof'ers on his resume maybe ATGs at the moment no..... Funny you should post those fighters also..... In order and according to the weight they fought at

                  135 Roberto Duran kills any version of Chico.... (RIP)

                  140 Wilfred Benitez does to Judah what May did.... Beat him for 10 rds.....

                  135 Gatti wouldn't touch Esteban De Jesus

                  140 Antonio Cervantes could box and what did Hatton struggle with???

                  Question b4 we go any further..... Of the guys listed how many have you actually seen fight??? Also how many May fights have you watched???
                  I spend most of my free time watching fights. Most I have seen at least 20 times each. I first saw Mayweather in 1996 in ATL GA during the olympics. I knew he was speacial at first glance. Since then I have seen every fight of his, including two in person live at the MGM. i assure you my boxing knowledge is vast and wide spread, covering every weight division and style. I'm still learning , but my knowledge as of now is light years ahead of the averge die hard fan. I currently have two sons boxing. Ages 14 and 10 and thier both undefeated so far. Both has been boxing since age 1, competeing since age 8. My father and all of his brothers were boxers, but also street men. I box and was somewhat succesful before joining the Military. I won golden glove two years in a row, 1996-1997. It runs in our blood just like the Mayweathers. I also know that defense is the secret behind mastering the sweet science of boxing. Any fool can throw a punch but only the gifted can master slipping, rolling, and catching. If it were easy then all boxers would be doing it. You say Duran would have defeated any version of Diego, but the fact is that Duran has never fought a fighter like himself. A relentless tough puncher with hand speed and a good chin. We all know he quit against Lenard, but what would he do when looking in the mirror. Carrles would have landing crisp sharp hard rights and lefts for as long as the fight went. This we all know.

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                  • ANT_P1989
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                    #69
                    I love reading a great Boxing debate, read ALL posts and ALL pages and watched ALL the videos posted. For the love of the sport of

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                    • MJ223
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                      #70
                      I also know that defense is the secret behind mastering the sweet science of boxing. Any fool can throw a punch but only the gifted can master slipping, rolling, and catching. If it were easy then all boxers would be doing it. You say Duran would have defeated any version of Diego, but the fact is that Duran has never fought a fighter like himself. A relentless tough puncher with hand speed and a good chin. We all know he quit against Lenard, but what would he do when looking in the mirror. Carrles would have landing crisp sharp hard rights and lefts for as long as the fight went. This we all know.[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

                      Duran vs Davey Moore is what Chico and Duran would have looked like.... But since your so high on Corrales you must think that much more of Casamayor JLC and Joshua Clottey??? Diego for the most part had a helluva run for 4 yrs.... Duran dominated a division for 6 yrs.... Duran captured titles at several weights with the pinnacle being Iran Barkley when he was clearly past it.. Never seen Corrales face a challenge such as this one.... If you want to debate about arguably the best of all time at LW you have to come better then Chico..Your trying to make a comparison where there is none... For your sake plz stop

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