Did taming the Beast cost Pacquiao his intangibles?

[Left Hook Tua]

I see we all going to act as if Manny Pacquiao is technically a better boxer now

he is better.

is he gonna be as good as guys like floyd? no of course not.

but he is better than he was before.

[SplitSecond]

i dont know what you're talking about, he was alot more predictable back then, although probabley more desperate and faster

[Doctor_Tenma]

I see we all going to act as if Manny Pacquiao is technically a better boxer now

He is, I had this conversation with plenty of posters. What I would always tell them is...have we seen these improvements against Marquez/ Mayweather-style opponents, basically fighters who can move well, control distance and counter? Obviously not. Still that doesn't change the fact that he's improved as a fighter.

Now what he needs to do is...don't get technical with a superior tactician, go back to his old self, even if it means looking insanely amateurish. I still thought Marquez won the 2nd fight but Pacquiao did a whole lot better in my opinion.

[bojangles1987]

He is, I had this conversation with plenty of posters. What I would always tell them is...have we seen these improvements against Marquez/ Mayweather-style opponents, basically fighters who can move well, control distance and counter? Obviously not. Still that doesn't change the fact that he's improved as a fighter.

Now what he needs to do is...don't get technical with a superior tactician, go back to his old self, even if it means looking insanely amateurish. I still thought Marquez won the 2nd fight but Pacquiao did a whole lot better in my opinion.

That second fight was the perfect balance between the technical improvements he showed in the third fight and the recklessness of the first fight.

I actually thought Pac did show some very noticeable technical improvements against Marquez. He was trying to outbox someone that is simply better than him though.

[FeFist]

It is a necessity. I don't think people realise that he has aged as a fighter and is now fighting fighters bigger than him. As his speed wanes he is more likely to get caught flush and against bigger fighters his endurance will be diminish.

I think Freddie has tried to improve the fundamentals of his game so that he can still compete when father time catches up with him.

[Boxingtech718v2]

Marquez and Nacho even predicted that now that Pac actually fights more like a technical fighter it would be easier to predict where he is going to be. And they were right the proof is in the pudding. Marquez is a cerebral fighter and will be two steps ahead of Manny at all times because of superior boxing and timing. Manny is still much faster but Marquez set traps, kept pac on the end of his jab all night and countered all attempts to brawl. I don't think Pac will ever beat JMM convincingly but will probably keep getting decisions anyway so why even fight a fourth time. Better off telling Arum to negotiate that Mayweather fight.

[Bermuda]

r.i.p. manny "the destroyer" pacquiao

[Ryannn]

I see we all going to act as if Manny Pacquiao is technically a better boxer now

yes he is. those who doesn't see that are morons.

but he still isn't a better technical fighter than marquez.

and trying to outbox and out-counter marquez is a ****** game plan