Did taming the Beast cost Pacquiao his intangibles?

[sugersean15]

im about to go trolling on mpboxing right now

[The Gambler1981]

he did better with his wild style against jmm earlier.

trying to box jmm limited jmm's counterpunching some but it limited his offense as well.

pac has the speed , power , chin on his side.

better for pac to take it to jmm , take his lumps from jmm's counters as long as he gets his.



at this weight , at his age , maybe jmm would have gotten worn down.

you never know.

pac made jmm comfortable early by being cautious.

overly cautious. even before jmm even made him pay for anything.


seems like a gameplan mistake to me on roach's part.

That is what I figured would happen, I figured JMM would end up looking good but fade because Manny being the fresher guy would eventually break down the older man through aggression.

That is two fights in a row now that Manny was very passive early, when it would have benefited him (IMO) from really pushing the peddle to the floor from the jump on older guys that should fade. Kind of surprising really.

[HarvardBlue]

I agree. I think Pacquiao's new found boxing skills is hurting him against the likes of Marquez and will hurt him against Mayweather. Another thing I noticed was the distance between him and Marquez during the fight. Whenever Marquez was successful, he was at a distance that Pac had to reach to connect. Marquez had all day to react. He could either counter or simply got out the way. Whenever Pacquiao closed the distance he had more success. It was the same distance Mosely fought him. The difference in that fight was Mosely had no offense. Especially, after he went down. Mosely fought scared. Marquez didn't. Pacquiao became a world class fighter on limited skills. I guess this shows the state of boxing today. No wonder Floyd Mayweather is the boxer he is. His talent (like him or not) is way ahead of everyone else.

[Seleção No. 13]

Nacho said the new Pacquiao suited them better because he was more predictable than say someone who throws wild punches.

[bojangles1987]

depends on the who he fights

a "wild" pacquiao would have done better against counter punching type guys who can match his speed

the boxer-puncher pacquiao does better against bigger slower guys

It's just terrible that Pacquiao has improved as a boxer, but gotten worse at what he needs to do to beat Mayweather. He was actually trying to outbox and outcounter freaking Juan Manuel Marquez.

If ever there was a fight where he should have just gone 2004 Manny Pacquiao again, it was this fight against Marquez. JMM would not have been able to keep a crazy ass Pacquiao off him for 12 rounds IMO.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

he's past prime and on the downside

[Doctor_Tenma]

He couldnt beat Marquez when he was a "beast"

And he couldnt beat Marquez now hes supposedly a "boxer".

This is true, but it's obvious which Pacquiao did better.

[Left Hook Tua]

depends on the who he fights

a "wild" pacquiao would have done better against counter punching type guys who can match his speed

the boxer-puncher pacquiao does better against bigger slower guys

this.

improving your skills is a must for any boxer.

but you have to know who you are , what you're best and who your opponent is.


as much as pacquiao has improved over the last few years , why have him box against guys with superior technique?

that doesn't make sense.

[Phenom]

I see we all going to act as if Manny Pacquiao is technically a better boxer now

[Phenom]

Roach has made Pacquiao more of a boxer now, he tenchical ability is now up there with the best.

He much more of a thinker now in the ring, feinting, thinking about defense, trying to hit and not get hit.

...............