Did taming the Beast cost Pacquiao his intangibles?

[D4thincarnation]

When Pacquiao first walked into the Wild Card, he was a force of nature, instinctive fighter that you could not predict.

Roach has made Pacquiao more of a boxer now, he tenchical ability is now up there with the best.

He much more of a thinker now in the ring, feinting, thinking about defense, trying to hit and not get hit.

But has this taking away something from the from the Beast, did Roach tame him too much.

Nacho, and Marquez mention this before the fight, that because Pacquiao is much more technical doing more things by the book he is more predictable.


Pacquiao did not throw much caution to the wind and unleash a storm in the 3rd Marquez fight.

Although many have overlooked this, Pacquiao show a lot of improvement even from the 2nd Marquez fight last night. His movement his defense, his counter punching, never really off balance, head and body movement, his accuracy.

But despite this he seems to have lost his natural instinct.

Did Roach tame the Beast?

[Ryannn]

depends on the who he fights

a "wild" pacquiao would have done better against counter punching type guys who can match his speed

the boxer-puncher pacquiao does better against bigger slower guys

[nj_evoixgsr]

^^as above he needed the tazmanian devil/storm with his new weapons for JMM

The previous fights he needed to be cautious because of them being bigger.

[!! Shawn]

When Pacquiao first walked into the Wild Card, he was a force of nature, instinctive fighter that you could not predict.

Roach has made Pacquiao more of a boxer now, he tenchical ability is now up there with the best.

He much more of a thinker now in the ring, feinting, thinking about defense, trying to hit and not get hit.

But has this taking away something from the from the Beast, did Roach tame him too much.

Nacho, and Marquez mention this before the fight, that because Pacquiao is much more technical doing more things by the book he is more predictable.


Pacquiao did not throw much caution to the wind and unleash a storm in the 3rd Marquez fight.

Although many have overlooked this, Pacquiao show a lot of improvement even from the 2nd Marquez fight last night. His movement his defense, his counter punching, never really off balance, head and body movement, his accuracy.

But despite this he seems to have lost his natural instinct.

Did Roach tame the Beast?

I think it has less to do with taming the beast and more to do with Pacquiao getting up there in age.

[Left Hook Tua]

depends on the who he fights

a "wild" pacquiao would have done better against counter punching type guys who can match his speed

the boxer-puncher pacquiao does better against bigger slower guys

yup.


roach had pac be more economical with his punches to limit jmm's counterpunching.

limited pac's offense as well.


pac is an uzi.

you don't try to be a sniper with it.

you spray and pray.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He couldnt beat Marquez when he was a "beast"

And he couldnt beat Marquez now hes supposedly a "boxer".

[THREAD-KILLER]

He should never have tried to outbox JMM. It's just not him.

He had his best success when he threw caution to the wind and got JMM to slug it out with him.

[uoykcuf]

He was better when he threw random punches that Marquez couldn't anticipate. All Marquez had to do is watch tapes on Pacquiao and he could study Pacquiao on what he does now adays. That easier said than done tho, props to Marquez and his gameplan!

[Shabba Rank$]

he couldnt beat marquez when he was a "beast"

and he couldnt beat marquez now hes supposedly a "boxer".

qft..............

[Left Hook Tua]

He couldnt beat Marquez when he was a "beast"

And he couldnt beat Marquez now hes supposedly a "boxer".

he did better with his wild style against jmm earlier.

trying to box jmm limited jmm's counterpunching some but it limited his offense as well.

pac has the speed , power , chin on his side.

better for pac to take it to jmm , take his lumps from jmm's counters as long as he gets his.



at this weight , at his age , maybe jmm would have gotten worn down.

you never know.

pac made jmm comfortable early by being cautious.

overly cautious. even before jmm even made him pay for anything.


seems like a gameplan mistake to me on roach's part.