Pacquiao/Marquez Post Fight Discussion- Please re-vote in the poll. .

[salitap4p#1]

Listen to the very start of the 10th round. You'll hear Steward and Kellerman say they would give the 9th round to Pac because he looked "fresher" and "stronger". They both landed 17 punches that round. JMM's were clearly cleaner than Pac's.

It was a disgrace that they used some unknown and never used before yardstick of who looks fresher and stronger to decide rather than the nature of the punches that both fighters landed. They were on Pac's balls and desperately trying to paint a false picture to the viewers. Shame on them. Particularly Steward.

[thatnickuh]

You sound like team HBO the way you give Pacquiao extra credit just because he threw more punches. I wouldn't call this analysis unbiased.

[Roy Hobbs]

Cliff almost had the same score as mine:

Here's mine, and I'll respect it the other way:

ROUND ONE

Tense feeling out...Pacquiao with a couple stiff lefts...Marquez slips a shot, lands two to the body...right and left from Pac; Marquez to the body.

Pacquiao 10-9

ROUND TWO

Still playing chess...Marquez with a pretty good right...Pac responded with a quick burst of offense.

Even 19-19

ROUND THREE

Jab battle...neither guy really getting their range...Marquez had some success late with the right hand...another scoring nightmare so far.

Marquez 29-28

ROUND FOUR

Pac more aggressive...sneaky with the left...Marquez countering to the body but starting to eat the left more...Marquez with a big right late.

Even 38-38

ROUND FIVE

Marquez lands a nice uppercut...landing another right...counter Pacquiao left and Marquez lands a right...Marquez beating Pacquiao to the punch.

Marquez 48-47

ROUND SIX

Pacquiao's best round of the fight...Marquez still held his own but Pac used a short step back to bring Marquez in and connected with lefts...these two just are made for each other and Marquez doesn't look old at all.

Even 57-57

ROUND SEVEN

Big Marquez right blocked but Pac takes a big step back...Marquez lead left hook slams home...Manny rallied some in the final minute but Marquez closed with a nice lead uppercut.

Marquez 67-66

ROUND EIGHT

Marquez was boxing his ears for the first two minutes but Pacquiao landed some eye catching lefts in the final minute. No envy for the judges.

Marquez 77-75

ROUND NINE

Round of the fight so far...Manny rocked Marquez and Marquez responded with some big rights...The took turns landing hard combos...Pacquiao landed a left hand bomb at the bell...Pac round.

Marquez 86-85

ROUND TEN

Manny tagged with a right...Pac complaining about a butt and cut...Pacquiao rallied late and stole it with some lefts...cut on the right eyebrow.

Even 95-95

ROUND ELEVEN

Pacquiao rocks Marquez with a left about a minute in...Pacquiao lead right and Marquez lands a left and right...Marquez lands the last right of the round but appeared outworked for stretches.

Pacquiao 105-104

ROUND TWELVE

Pacquiao leading and landing more halfway...Marquez answers in spots...feinting contest...Pacquiao loses the bit...45 seconds left...blocks a Marquez flurry...two Pacquiao lefts in the last ten seconds...Marquez didn't leave it out there to finish.

Pacquiao 115-113

[PACsmash]

manny lost because a KO was expected from him and when it didnt come he lost the fight. thats how people see it, they dont care who landed the cleaner shot or who landed the most. manny had marquez on the canvas the first 2 meetings they had and this 3rd fight marquez didnt kiss the canvas not even once so thats why manny lost.

[Pacroid]

"Juan this is a buisness"

Juan Manuel Marquez in this interview after the fight, said A very important man in the world of boxing, whispered me, "Juan this is a buisness". Identity not revealed.

http://www.nssoaxaca.com/deportes/35...manuel-marquez

[thatnickuh]

manny lost because a KO was expected from him and when it didnt come he lost the fight. thats how people see it, they dont care who landed the cleaner shot or who landed the most. manny had marquez on the canvas the first 2 meetings they had and this 3rd fight marquez didnt kiss the canvas not even once so thats why manny lost.

Way to try and dismiss anyone who feels that Marquez won.

[Ring Leader]

Wow this thread has more views than the Mayweather-Pacquaio super thread


lol

[crold1]

Just saw the fight recently, many thanks to ***** for uploading the fight. I didnt watch the fight on saturday just checked out the comments section on nsb and i hear a lot of atrocious robbery posts against marquez and i made a effort to watch the fight multiple times before i made this thread. Its becoming common place that right after a fight a lot of sensationalized proclamations based on knee jerk reactions are made without much thought.

I thought i should wait, download the fight, watch it a couple of times and give it a proper viewing and analysis:


Round 1: MP 10 JMM 9

Could have gone either way, Really close round. JMM landed clean potshotting body punches, MP landed straight lefts. MP landed more by way of compubox. Both traded punches at the end with a low blow from JMM at the end. really close round that could have gone either way.

Round 2: JMM 10 MP 9

Another close round. MP threw more, landed more. JMM landed the cleaner punches, a couple of straight rights. I scored both round 1 & 2 a draw because they were so close but on second review it seemed as if MP won the first and JMM won the second.

Round 3: MP 10 JMM 9

First definitive round for MP. Landed clean lefts, jabs, and countered JMM with right hooks. JMM caught MP with some nice looping right hooks and straights but not enough to win a close round. Compubox i think had them even in landed punches.

Round 4: MP 10 JMM 9

Another definitive round for MP. Landed lots of straight lefts, lead lefts. MP landed and threw more by way of compubox. JMM caught MP with a couple of counter straight rights at the end of the round, but a clear round for a much aggressive MP.

Round 5: JMM 10 MP 9

First definitive round for JMM. Left uppercuts straight right hand combos working beautifully for JMM. Rocked MP on his heels late in the round. MP tried to come on late in the round with some straight lefts but a huge round for JMM.

Round 6: MP 10 JMM 9

Another close round. Very hard to score for either guy. JMM landed some more straight rights, MP landed his lefts. JMM threw body punches, some landed some caught a lot of MP's guard and elbows. Gave it to MP by narrowest of margins. It was JMM's lowest output.

Round 7: JMM 10 MP 9

Clear round for JMM, his best round so far. Looping right hooks, left uppercuts, clean big shots that landed. MP far too tentative and fighting at JMM's pace. Weird to know that MP out landed JMM 16-11.

Round 8: JMM 10 MP 9

Another clear definitive round for JMM. Clean lead rights, counter rights, single body shots. MP made it closer but JMM takes it for cleaner shots.

Round 9: MP 10 JMM 9

Best round of the fight so far. JMM controlled the first part of the round, single pot shots in spurts. MP regained control the middle of the rounds with aggressive jab straight left combos. Last part of the round was the best as both guys traded shots. Another close round for MP in my opinion.

Round 10: Draw 9-9

I have no idea won this round. Another excruciatingly close round. Again, MP landed more but it seemed as if it was a JMM round. Lots of exchanges were both guys landed on each other at the very same time. MP is cut, but JMM was far too tentative to seize the opportunity to capitalize on it. MP could hav edged it due to his aggression when he found out he was cut. MP threw 50 punches to JMM's 37.

Round 11: MP 10 JMM 9

Another close round but i felt MP took this round. JMM became even far more tentative. MP landed lots of 1-2s on JMM while JMM countered single shot right hands but far too few in between. Compubox for that round give a clear edge to MP.

Round 12: MP 10 JMM 9

Clear round for MP. He's the only one that did anything. JMM basically shut it down and for the last couple of rounds was doing his best de la hoya vs trinidad impression.


Analysis:

It really did a disservice to marquez when beristain told him that he was winning a fight. I think their impression of how the fight was going was somewhat warped due to the fact that marquez never hit the canvas. He became far too tentative when he needed to pick up the pace. Even in this fight when pacquiao was cut, marquez left him off the hook. In their 2nd fight, he went after pacquiao when he was cut then relented again.

I saw the fight first on pure entertainment value, then watched it a 2nd time to score the fight, and a third time just to get some more thoughts and analysis. Let me just say i am not a philipino nor mexican but a old white guy that's been watching boxing since the 70s. It was a close fight and anybody that says marquez CLEARLY won or CLEARLY dominated is out of their mind.

Through round 11, pacquiao threw 541 to marquez 400. Pacquiao landed 158 punches to marquez 127. Pacquiao 29% to Marquez 32%. After watching the fight several times, i am shocked to see how so many people say marquez dominated pacquiao. This was a very close fight with so many close rounds and was very difficult to score. I had the benefit of a vlc player to pause and look at the fight again and knowledge of compubox scores yet i found so many rounds difficult to score for both guys.

In the end, taking out the sound of the pro mexican crowd, the regular biases of the hbo crew, in my honest opinion i saw pacquiao win this fight. marquez fought brilliantly for his age, the weight, and the given opponent but you cant scream blatant robbery in a very close fight were you were out punched and out landed by a much more aggressive fighter who by the way is arguably the biggest star in the sport.

Roy: why do you have a round 9-9 with no deductions? If you're thinking cut rule, that's WBC only. You appear the have it 7-4-1, or 116-113. I personally think that's too wide. Had Pac winning 15-13 myself with JMM winning 3 and the 10th to Manny.

[Flabulous]

9-9 round?

[THE REED]

I scored it 115-113 for Pacquiao after rewatching and scoring it... I left my notes at home, but basically I had it 6-5 going into the 12th for Pac.

I'll be honest though, a LOT of those rounds were incredibly hard to score, I could see a possible draw or a one round swing in JMM favor easily.