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  • Originally posted by RL_GMA View Post
    LOS ANGELES

    With his biggest payday in the balance – a bout of global interest with Floyd Mayweather – welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao’s personal and professional lives are in turmoil.

    The day after his disputed majority decision victory over Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao wanted to surprise his wife, Jinkee, with a ceremony renewing their vows at the Mandalay Bay Hotel.

    But she apparently refused, according to several sources intimately familiar with the Pacquiao camp, citing his alleged infidelities. After a lengthy discussion at the hotel, they say, Jinkee refused to go through with the ceremony unless Pacquiao fired his agent, Michael Koncz.

    “I have no knowledge of that,” said Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum.

    “I don’t know who the f--- gave you that information,” said Koncz. “I’m not going to discuss Manny and Jinkee’s personal business in the media.”

    That’s fair enough, if not exactly a denial. But even Pacquiao’s longtime trainer and confidante, Freddie Roach — who had predicted a knockout against Marquez — admitted that his fighter was not at his best on Saturday night.

    “I think distractions outside the ring got to him,” Roach said in an interview Monday at his Wild Card gym in Hollywood.

    Roach refused to specify those distractions, merely saying “they aren’t excuses.” But it’s clear there is serious disagreement within the Pacquiao camp on a variety of fronts, including the fighter's marriage, his training habits, and his next opponent. When asked whom he wants for Pacquiao's next opponent, Roach said emphatically: “Floyd Mayweather.”


    When asked whom Pacquiao wanted next, he responded again: “Floyd Mayweather.”

    People have been talking about Mayweather-Pacquiao almost as long as they fantasized about Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. But now would seem the ideal time to actually make the match. What the world suddenly dismisses as a disputed Pacquiao victory actually represents the best-yet opportunity to make the fight of this still-young century. Only last week, Mayweather’s camp — uncharacteristically explicit in regard to its prospective Filipino foe — made known its preference for a May 5 date with Pacquiao.

    Just as Holyfield’s lackluster showing against Bobby Czyz helped make the Tyson fight, Pacquaio’s performance against Marquez — whom Floyd handled so easily a couple of years ago — should fully incentivize the Mayweather camp.

    Nevertheless, immediately after the fight, Arum was talking about making Pacquiao-Marquez IV instead of Pacquiao-Mayweather.

    “Bob said, ‘We don’t need Mayweather. We can do a fourth fight,’ ” Roach recalled.

    “That’s what he said in the ring.”

    Arum is not to be blamed. It’s good business, as he promotes both Pacquiao and Marquez. Plus, it’s a good way to stick it to Mayweather and his promoter, Al Haymon, both of whom he loathes (the feeling, rest assured, is mutual).

    Rather, the responsibility — on many levels — now belongs to Pacquiao.

    At some point, Roach argued, “Bob has to give Manny what he wants. If Manny says, ‘I want Mayweather,’ Bob will have to give him Mayweather.”

    In other words, it comes down to how hard Pacquiao pushes for the Mayweather fight.

    “He needs to be pushy,” said Roach. “He’s got to step up and tell (Arum) who he wants to fight.”

    “Freddie can say whatever he wants,” said Arum. “I’m going to sit with Manny and do whatever Manny wants to do.”

    In fact, Pacquiao needs to make his choices plain on a number of fronts: with his wife, his promoter and his trainer. For two fights now, Pacquiao has been less than diligent in listening to his strength and conditioning coach, Alex Ariza.

    The last two training camps have seen Pacquiao show great enthusiasm for running the hills of Los Angeles' Griffith Park, but not for following Ariza’s advice. There are those in Pacquiao’s camp who blame the cramping and fatigue in his calves on his reluctance to abide by Ariza’s regimen.

    “The biomechanics of running up and down hills is different than what’s required in boxing,” said Ariza. “Manny is a side-to-side fighter. His strength is lateral movement.”

    Ariza also refused to address personal issues, but allowed that he met with the fighter Sunday to review a tape of the previous night’s bout with Marquez. It was the second consecutive fight that Pacquiao complained of stiffness in his legs. It was also, Ariza said, the second consecutive fight in which he shrugged off the coach’s track work and agility drills.

    Ariza joined Team Pacquiao in 2008, after the second disputed victory over Marquez. The years since have seen Pacquiao move up in weight to become a global brand with consecutive victories over David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley and Marquez. Within the camp, there is a feeling that the last two (both decisions) have been distinctly less impressive than the previous six.

    “It’s very simple,” Ariza told him Sunday. “My way is Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito. Your way is Mosley and Marquez.”

    It’s the champ’s choice.

    It always is.

    And quite suddenly, Manny Pacquiao has a lot of them to make.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/stor...ecision-111511
    Bottom line, Bob Arum does not want to put Pac in the ring with Mayweather. Pac needs to grow a pair and step up...

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    • Originally posted by Cash Cow View Post
      Has anyone done this yet? I watched the fight in Slow Motion...


      Pacquiao did NOT land 176 punches.

      2004: In his first fight vs Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao threw 639 punches & landed 148 punches.

      2008: In their 2nd fight Manny Pacquiao threw 619 punches & landed 157 punches.

      He wasnt nearly as effective in the 3rd fight as he was in the previous 2 fights yet he threw less (578) and landed more (176) when Marquez was supposedly not being aggressive?....
      Pac sure marked up Marquez's face a lot for not landing. Imagine if he had landed, omg!

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      • Originally posted by x3_bazooka_x3 View Post
        Thats what I noticed in real time, I didnt need slow motion to see that, Marquez knew exactly where Manny was going to throw his shots and he missed alot that looked like they were landing but were not they were off by the smallest of margins, and Manny somehow got credit for it, if you watch that fight again you will also notice the majority of Mannys straight left hands down the middle were parried off by Marquez's right glove kind of the way Floyd catches that jab with his right hand...

        Manny didnt land **** which is why I had a wide very wide score for Marquez
        Somehow? At that point the Pacqiauo hoopla had the consistency of political bias in the media. All perceptions at the time of this fight were slanted in such a way that anything that could go either way was tallied in Manny's favor. Manny got the benefit of every possible doubt. Basically every fight he was in since he became an international mega-star he had homecookin'.

        He may no longer enjoy that advantage.

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        • Originally posted by Eg714 View Post
          There was also a head butt that could of cause the swelling
          How dare you bring common sense before the *******s

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          • I disagree. Im rewatching the fight, and for example in the 6th round where it appears Marquez lands a good counter right hand off the ropes, in super slow motion it clearly shows that Marquez barely grazes Pacquiao with the right hand, and ends up eating a right hook pretty cleanly. not that that sort of thing happened in every round, its just a particular example

            also, a few of Pacquiao's quick, darting left hands are more noticable in slow motion, and land cleanly.

            I originally had it a draw, but on rewatching I have it 115-113 for Pacquiao, although I dont have a problem with a Marquez win.

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            • man u know u r full of **** and got jmm cok down your throat when u cant even remember a pac punch

              wat about his left straight at 1:41 of round 6,.. see thats how full of **** you are.. he also landed a right hook tooo at 1:06 of that round but to JMM's credit he landed two flush shots using a double straight right at 0:44 which you can only see after the round in the replay cus the ref got in front of the camera and blocked the view during the round... get that cok out of your throat man

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              • i thought JMM was a Golden Boy fighter?

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                • Originally posted by Cash Cow View Post
                  Has anyone done this yet? I watched the fight in Slow Motion...


                  Pacquiao did NOT land 176 punches.

                  2004: In his first fight vs Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao threw 639 punches & landed 148 punches.

                  2008: In their 2nd fight Manny Pacquiao threw 619 punches & landed 157 punches.

                  He wasnt nearly as effective in the 3rd fight as he was in the previous 2 fights yet he threw less (578) and landed more (176) when Marquez was supposedly not being aggressive?....
                  don't need slow mo to see that, i was yelling that **** out during the fight, when hbo was talking about pacquiao landing when he wasn't or jmm was and they were talking about pac, totally laughable......

                  bottom line, i sure as hell didn't and dont' need to watch in slow mo to see that pac was whiffing the majority of the time.

                  i am a hopkins fan as well as a JMM fan, and I always watch for the nuances and the subtleties, my eyes are trained for it, it was clear as day, as bright as staring at the sun that pacquiao wasn't " EFFECTIVE " in his aggression, which is why I have been loudly complaining about the scoring criteria for fights!?!?!?

                  there is a big difference in backing up a 1/4 inch at a time, baiting your opponent into traps and executing your game plan verses a guy that is backing up in retreat, trying to avoid the pressure... there is a big difference.

                  marquez was using pacquiao's pressure against him, so much so pac didn't want to lead during the middle rounds because he knew marquez would counter the ish out of him....

                  but the criteria needs to change, just because a guy comes forward and is in good shape to do it all fight long doesn't mean he wins the fight.

                  they need to score "EFFECTIVE" boxing skills, "EFFECTIVE" counter punching, " EFFECTIVE" game plan executing!!!

                  the guy coming forward might make the fight action happen, but when he's beat to the punch, countered, missing punches, and not landing anything cleaning, he's not "EFFECTIVE" and in REALITY he's LOSING the fight. it's just ridiculous...

                  as stated before and everyone knows this, the outcome of this fight was purely dictated by the potential of a pacquioa vs mayweather fight, nothing more, it had nothing to do with a fair fight...... the only thing that was fair in this fight was tony weeks solid ref job, and marquez was putting a fair schooling pacquiao all fight long......... beyond fair schooling.
                  Last edited by deuce_drop; 11-15-2011, 06:07 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by KFC(Fforfloyd) View Post
                    man u know u r full of **** and got jmm cok down your throat when u cant even remember a pac punch

                    wat about his left straight at 1:41 of round 6,.. see thats how full of **** you are.. he also landed a right hook tooo at 1:06 of that round but to JMM's credit he landed two flush shots using a double straight right at 0:44 which you can only see after the round in the replay cus the ref got in front of the camera and blocked the view during the round... get that cok out of your throat man
                    Why do so many of these guys arguing pro-Pac so vehemently have like 100 posts or something?

                    Why is that?





                    I kill me. I'm here all week...

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                    • Manny's passivity and indifference about managing his career is now coming back to haunt him. The key word I'm using is "indifference" because it can easily be mistaken for "goodness" since it lacks qualities like pride, arrogance, and haughtiness. But still, it's indifference all the same and what it's produced has shaken the Pacquiao faithful to their very foundations.

                      I was really surprised that Pacquiao was getting booed like he did, and I bet he was too. Although Bob Arum can brag about the live gate take, it ended up being an arena filled with unhappy fans, alot of them "were" Manny's. This is the result of Manny taking a back seat when it comes to managing his career.

                      Everything connects in a boxer's life sometimes, and if they aren't careful, everything not only connects but converges to bring about the worst case scenario.

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