Comments Thread For: Arum: Pacquiao-Martinez Possible, Same Day Weigh-In

[edgarg]

WW ?

Pacquiao did not fight a top lightweight, he did not fight a top JWW, and he has fought nobody at welter ranked higher than 4..... he is feeding on old men, faded champions, and bums..... give yourself an uppercut.

re you telling me that a fighter ranked #4 is not a "top" fighter?? you are nuts. You should have a look at Joe Louis' title opponents and see where they were ranked, guys with 15-20 losses etc. When he fought Schmeling the second time, Schmeling's record was 52-7 (5 KOs)and he only fought one more really. He was done, finished, cooked and about 10 years older than Louis.

In his 24 defences (1 was only the NY version) his opponents had the GRAND TOTAL of 296 losses. That's an average of over 12 losses per opponent. And those who had fewer losses also have far fewer fights and consequently were less experienced. And don't forget t the guy he beat for the title had 23 losses and was really a lt. heavyweight, and also about 10 years older than Louis.

Yet Louis is generally and rightly regarded as being in the top 3-5 heavyweights of all time, along with Foreman, Ali, Johnson .............

[hanzoh74]

WW ?

Pacquiao did not fight a top lightweight, he did not fight a top JWW, and he has fought nobody at welter ranked higher than 4..... he is feeding on old men, faded champions, and bums..... give yourself an uppercut.

well if we follow ur picks fighting unknowns but on their prime....then u will be here yelling why Pac didnt fight Hatton who is no.1 at JWW, Margarito, Cotto, Mosley who are the top WWs at this time....either way Pac loses

[Laborer]

not only is 'catchwieght' thing a painfully annoying piece of crap, and everyone knows this except Bob or Roach or Pac, they added 'same day weigh-in' puke on top of it! Bob really think we're all dumb!

[FistO]

not only is 'catchwieght' thing a painfully annoying piece of crap, and everyone knows this except Bob or Roach or Pac, they added 'same day weigh-in' puke on top of it! Bob really think we're all dumb!

Really? You want Pacquiao fighting at a weight of 147, and his opponent is 175? Fact of the matter is, Martinez should not be going down in weight and fight small fighters. How about fighting people in his own weight class. If he wants the money fight with Pacquiao, he will have to agree to a fair compromise. He is the one chasing the money fight, he will have to make the compromise. I don't see anything wrong with a same day weigh-in, as long as both parties agree to it. And I have a feeling Martinez will do just that and more just to get that fight. Manny isn't here to prove anything else. He is here to entertain, unlike Floyd who want to give his fan a WWE kind of entertainment.It's not like Manny is fighting for a the #1 p4p.He could care less about p4p rankings.The dude is at a point in his career where he is just cruising to retirement. None of your **** opinion about catchweights matter to him. Fans love him. He gives 100% war when he fights.End of story.

[KTFO]

No, that is not ironic at all..... but what is ironic is that you actually think that Pacquiao is great, *** knows how or why, but you do..... and yet Pacquiao has a list of unanswered questions hanging over his resume' that is longer than his list of achievements..... now, THAT is ironic

Truly great fighters always leave more answers than questions, and yet Pacquiao has left more questions than answers.

Questions like.....

* Could Pac have beaten Zahir Raheem, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Soto, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Campbell, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Guzman, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten any top lightweight, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a top jww, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Hoya, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Hoya at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Cotto, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Cotto at 147, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Margarito, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito with 10oz gloves, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a Clottey that fought back, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a genuine jmw, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Mosley, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a past-prime Mosley when he first had the chance back when Shane was ranked the #1 welter, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Ortiz (a guy who laid hands on him in sparring - Roach named that session as "the best sparring ever", a guy who beat a fighter who Arum admitted was on Pac's own shortlist, and a guy who was ranked higher than any welter Pac has ever fought), cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac beat JMM now at 140 (Pac's best weight, according to Manny), cuz he will not allow that to happen, 145lbs (a weight that Manny has never made himself ) was the deal-breaker? *** me, that is absurd.

* Could Pac have beaten Martinez for that vacant WBC title, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac beat Martinez at 150 now ("I will fight anyone at 150" ~ Manny Pacquiao), cuz he dont want none? Pac? Manny? Where'd that guy go?

* Could Pac beat Mayweather, cuz he hasnt?

* Could Pac pass Olympic Style Drug Testing, cuz he dont want none?

Jeez dude, that is one helluva shopping list full of unanswered questions about a supposedly great fighter

I mean, that list is not complete either, **** we can go right back to fly, could Pac have beaten Too Sharp? Why didnt that fight happen, just like at lw, jww, and welter?

WTF ?

Surely that cant be right, because Pacquiao certainly had not achieved traditional greatness before the highly controversial win/loss to Marquez?

Many fighters achieved greatness by fighting under the old divisional system, back when there was only one champion, using same day weigh-in's, and they did it by fighting as the smaller man..... Pacquiao has certainly never done anything like that.

Are you sure that you arent just drinking the kool-aid dude ?

Because it is inconceivable that a truly great fighter could have a list of unanswered questions hanging over his head that happens to be longer than his list of achievements?

The problem with irrational fans like yourself is that you use hindsight to judge everything. You have to factor in timing, what matches can be made, what matches are already scheduled and how fighters are rated going into bouts not what they look like years down the road. It's comical how people like you spew one sided bull**** outta your mouth. Let's refute your bull**** shall we.

* Zahir Raheem is a one hit wonder. He lost his very next fight after Morales to a fading Freitas and has beat no one else of note, he does not make Pac a great fighter for beating him.

* Pac did beat JMM @ 130 jacka** and in case you forgot, JMM turned down the rematch @ 126 to fight Chris John in Indonesia for a measly 30K. That's why it took 4 years between bouts.

* Humberto Soto is a historical ducker and how does beating him make Pac great? What achievements has Soto accomplished? In case you forgot again, he dropped 2 out of 3 bouts when Pac campaigned through 130/135 so how does that set up a bout?

* You are correct in your next 3 points, Pac navigated around 135 to take an easy title from D. Diaz when huge fights were there to be made with Campbell, Juan Diaz and Guzman. His legacy takes a huge blow there and he probably would be considered a great fighter for beating at least 2 of those 3.

* Many people regarded Hatton as the top dawg @ 140. He was the Ring champ, he held unified titles at one time and defeated a legend in Kosta Tszyu. He was never effective @ 147 but ruled JWW in most peoples opinion.

* Do you really have to bring up hypothetical matches? Unless Pac gets in a time machine it's impossible for him to fight prime versions of Oscar and Shane. They were before his time and always will be. Okay, he didn't fight Oscar @ 154, BUT, he was coming up from 135 for ****s sake.

* Cotto had one loss and was close enough to his prime, he was like 29. Margs not so much. Again, Pac's legacy does take a hit for winning the WW/JMW belts at a catchweight but don't even bring up the Clottey fight. If you think that an offensive minded Clottey could have won the fight than you're a bigger fool than everyone on this site thinks you are. Pac isn't the only fighter to use catchweights either, look at legendary fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard and Bhop as examples too.

* Ortiz? When Pac made the move to 147, Cotto/Margs/Clottey/Mosley were all ranked in the top 5. They were all ESTABLISHED welterweights, champions/former champs, and all fought each other which knocked them down a peg or up a peg. Ortiz was not an established welterweight, I REPEAT NOT AN ESTABLISHED WELTERWEIGHT! Yes he beat Berto but was also coming off a draw to Lamont friggin Peterson. He only had ONE fight @ 147 before he showed his inconsistent attributes against Floyd and tried to play grab a** before he got KTFO!

* Cry me a river, JMM and PAC will be the same weight this saturday so big fu*cking deal. Get your facts straight as well because Pac did make 140 against Hatton and JMM vs PAC 3 is @ 144, so your facts are off as always.

* Why the hell are people bringing up all these little details about ducking a Sergio fight? 150 no 147 no 154. How is Pac ducking when the JMM fight has been agreed upon since June. If Sergio forces his own path by taking on the cream of the crop @ middleweight or jr middle and stops trying to piggy back off Floyd or Pac than he could eventually lure a big fight. But, crying and quoting to the media every day is only hurting his chances.

* Why couldn't the Floyd fight been made in the first infamous negotiation 2 years ago and under standard drug testing that...(drumroll please) EVERY OTHER BOXER USES? Dumb ****s like you probably never heard of OST before Floyd played his hand but hold Pac to a higher drug testing standard. Did you honestly think Pac was juicing before the Floyd debacle? I bet no.

Let's try a change of pace Mr. Traditional greatness. Can you produce an expert "grocery list" on how Floyd is so great? Please explain how he cleaned out 135, 140 or 147. Explain how he beat "prime" versions of De La Hoya and Mosley. Explain how Judah and Baldo were great wins, let's hear it.

[jrosales13]

why dont we have a martinez vs froch or bute or ward at same day weigh-in of 168? because it would be easier for martinez do 168 same day weigh-in than pac could even do, if ever, close to 160 same day weigh in

haters are really looking to get more ridiculous with pac fighting bigger guys...lets see martinez fight someone who would outweigh hime by 20-25 lb

[jrosales13]

PW II 30 day weigh in before the fight Martinez was 176lbs half way through camp. Froch in the ring vs AA was 169. Froch doesn't cut weight, Martinez is heavier than him and has a longer reach. Sergio has a longer reach than everyone at SMW except Dirrell who is also 75" like Sergio. Sergio says he's too small for SMW but wants to fight Pacquiao who is more than 30lbs smaller than him. He's a joke.

All weigh-ins should be same day.

Umm..Yea OK...So umm what fight did Martinez re-hydrate himself to 175 again?

[wengz2002]

There is no demand of Pac-Martinez!
Most people undertstand that Pac & Martinez are two divisions apart!

The only one who wants the fight is Martinez himself! He wants to get his biggest PAY!

if he really desperately wants the fight, he should accept Bob's offer!

[MissDeeCole]

I dont wanna see pacquiao and martinez. if pacquiao wins it would be incredible, but if he loses it would come off more because of martinez size than his skill.

[TheGoldenChamp]

****, this Arum is a scumbag. Why do people sign with this guy? I can't stand Floyd but I don't blame Floyd for hiring Golden Boy to negotiate with this guy. This scumbag thinks he the rules the world. Why not have it a 154 same day weigh in with a catch. He wants Martinez to come in drained. unbelievable