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Joe luis> wlad
head to head and atg rating
head to head and atg rating
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spot on dude. totally delusional.
you watch wladimir's fights, right?
you get that he rarely throws power punches?
he's probably a harder puncher than louis given his size, but when you dont set them up and throw power punches regularly it doesnt mean a whole lot.
too big? louis did fight one outright bigger man named primo carnera. he certainly wasnt a boxer on wladimir's level, but he had longer arms and was physically as strong.
louis was identical in height and reach to lamon brewster
if brewster were in tip top shape he'd probably have less than ten lbs on a prime louis, who in his prime was just over 200 lbs
is that extra five or ten lbs brewster has going to be the difference?
really?
and skilled and smart?
you really think wladimir is a more skilled fighter than joe louis?
wladimir is one of the smartest fighters around today, and certainly a very skilled boxer, but you wont find many who agree when you say that he's more skilled than joe louis
wladimir is a rough task for most historic great HW. i dont discout that he's a great HW in his own right and has dominated the division for a very long time.
he's obviously not going to head to his corner and ask emanuel to take his gloves off the first time louis glares at him.
but your vision of him "easily knocking louis out" sounds pretty crazy to a totally delusional dude like me.
he doenst knock anybody out easily
he wears them down for rounds with the jab and hopes for them to tire.
every jab he throws will be a chance for the greatest puncher of all time to counter. every single one. wladimir does not have a good chin. he does not do well with fighters with quick feet (he went the distance with ibragimov and haye, the only mildly quick fighters he's faced recently)
he's at a horrible disadvantage when you look at the fight
it has nothing to do with eras
and i wont even get started on the "bums" that louis fought.
look at the guys wladimir fights, dude. you really dont want to go there, do you?
they arent even in shape.Comment
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Wladimir will win!Comment
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7th round KO for Vlad, easy night easy money...helenius shouldve been the opponentComment
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HAHA Wladimir not properly setting up power punches?! He's probably one of the best HW's ever at setting up his power punch - his straight right and left hook. . . He doesn't need to throw a lot of power punches because he has the hardest punch in the game. . .
Wladimir is INCREDIBLY skilled and intelligent. . . He's fleet of hand and foot, and he makes it damn near impossible to get to that chin-piece.Comment
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My only argument was that you stated how it was a disgrace to say Wlad could whoop Louis and than stated how easily Joe could have beaten Wlad. I will also state that I really believe all this fantasy fight crap is silly. Simply because we will never know and it proves nothing as far as I am concerned.
With that said. I will have to question your boxing knowledge when you mention Primo Carnera in the same argument about Wlad. Because anyone with an ounce of boxing knowledge knows that the only thing they had in common was their height and they both had boxing gloves on and absolutely nothing else.
You also state how much you know about Wlad and how chinny he supposedly is. Well, all I can ask is how many times has Wlad been knocked out as compared to a TKO? I believe you already know the answer and I don't even know why I am even going to waste my time typing the following, but here goes.
He was stopped twice after dominating every round of both fights. Wlad's corner actually stopped the Purity fight after Wlad gassed. And Brewster knocked him down a couple of times after Wlad gassed, both TKO's. Sanders did stop him but he he had to knock him down a couple of times to stop him. And all three fighters Wlad lost to did have heavy hands yet no one has KO'ed him. If Wlad's chin is so soft how is that possible? As far as the first Peter fight is concerned. If I remember correctly Peter was doing a lot fouling in the fight, rabbit punching, that directly related to the knock downs.
In closing I will say that if a 190 pound Max Schmeling could knock a in his prime Joe Louis out cold. I see no reason why Wlad could not have done the same. But, again none of this really matters and some day in the not so distant future Wlad will be in the Hall of Fame right along side the great "Brown Bomber."Comment
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did you read the post?
they get long
you wouldnt be the first to skim it.
i drew the comparison to demonstrate that size alone wouldnt be much of a factor, and it would not.
check out the rest of the post. you can question my knowledge about boxing all you'd like. inquire away. check out the history section and you'll find my thoughts on carnera. ( And wladimir comparatively with other great fighters)
and the "stopped but not out cold" stuff in defense of his chin is honestly downright laughable.
if you cannot continue you are stopped.
by my count (and i could be off) he has been down nine times in his career.
nine times. do you seriously think the criticism of his chin is not deserved?
even he and his trainer have admitted that his chin is not good. hell, just look at the way he fights compared to early in his career.
if 6'2 77" reach lamon brewster can do it i dont see any reason why 6'2 76" reach louis cant
opinions and subjectivity are a part of boxing, and everybody is entitled to them certainly
and i shouldnt be running people down about them
if you read my posts you'd see praise of wladimir's abilities, and me acknowledging not only his greatness but his favorability head to head against other great HW
my assessment of the fight comes from an evaluation of the styles
it has nothing to do with the calendar year
for instance, i would pick wladimir to beat langford, johnson, and probably even marciano, though that one could get messy with rocky's style and 15 round endurance
again, i'll reiterate, i can be found all over the history section defending wladimir klitschko
joe louis was a brutal offensive fighter and wladimir klitschko doesn't have a sterling chin.
i'd pick him to knock wladimir out. and if you talk with learned boxing people (contrary to popular opinion most of the NSB posters do not fit that bill,) you'll find far more who agree with me than agree with you, and it has nothing to do with the calendar year
and with learned boxing people it shouldn'tComment
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come on dude... you make me laugh a lot and i'm begginning to like you but really?
waiting for six rounds for a man to tire is not setting up power punches
i think you guys are missing the point (and need to go back and review the tape of other great HW)
wladimir's advantage is his size and how economically he uses it. he's a great HW with a hell of a run. if i had a vote i'd put him in the hall of fame early. i dont know what isnt registering about that.
he is a very intellegent fighter, if you read my posts you'll see him get credit for it. i think i said he was one of the smartest fighters in boxing today.
but joe louis just might be the craftiest offensive fighter ever.
wladimir wouldnt dare to call himself a better offensive fighter. that's a promise. wladimir is a safety first boxer who wears guys down with the jab and one punch at a time eventually drops a big right hand.
almost never follows it with the hook.
he's very good at it, but it's very basic.
joe louis was a pure boxer puncher who threw combinations
comparing the pure offensive craft of the two is honestly not even fair.Comment
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