- QUESTION - Severity of Margarito's eye injury: Injury you can recover from a 100%?

[sdcluser]

Didn't Oscar have broken orbital once and recovered?? No?

[freedom213]

Here's the thing..broken bone actually mends stronger than the bone was originally...so that's not an issue. The retina has healed and has been cleared by a doctor...not an issue. Lamont Brewster suffered a detached retina during the Sergei Liakhovich fight and recovered and went on to fight without problems...if the doctor says he's ok then it probably isn't going to be a problem or factor. He's 33 yrs old...it's not that old at all and has many good years left.

He is very tough and in very good shape...I think he will probably give Cotto the same fight he gave him the last time and probably KO him in the late rounds. Frankly...IMO it's Cotto who has deteriorated more than Margarito.

The broken orbital is definitely an issue.

Physically - Bones mend stronger in children and certain bones tend to heal back stronger than others, I have a feeling the smaller bones of the face like the orbital bone may not fit that same mold especially for a 30 year old boxer. Also, I think it is important to highlight that for fighters to come back from these types of injuries typically take a couple years off and more importantly don't live and die off of their granite chin and ability to eat close to 300 punches per fight and still get his opponents out of there.

Psychologically - For Margarito his past injuries will be a very real reminder when he starts getting hit. Can he still put his foot to the medal in the face of jarring shots to that eye, if this effects his ability to implement the type of aggressive strategy likely needed to break Cotto down again if this causes hesitation and doubts to creep in to Margs gameplan he's gonna give Cotto a lot of space and likely gonna eat a lot of punches.

[TintaBoricua]

Thanks for the responses, read each and every one. I appreciate it.

Making mention of a point someone made, I remember reading that Margaritos career was on the verge of being over because of it. It was that bad. And then all of the sudden the Cotto fight gets made.

It just seems shady.

I'm sure Arum pushed for the fight to happen regardless and knowing Margaritos hunger and willingness to get back on top accepted. Hopefully it doesn't end up messing him up bad.

I just do not see how that eye won't be a factor if it's jabbed and hit repeatedly. It's gotta bother him at the very least.

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think there were any talks of Cotto-Margarito II officially happening until AFTER the Pacquiao-Margarito fight. Seeing how much damage Margarito has taken over the course of Cotto/Mosley/Pacquiao, I sometimes wonder whether Margarito's chin will still be the same. And if it is (most likely will), I DON'T think that eye will hold up.

I understand that bones heal. This is why you have these karate practitioners breaking wooden boards and hurting themselves, but I believe there's a substance released that actually fortifies the bones afterwards. However, I understand it's for SLIGHT injuries, maybe tiny, minuscule fractures.

What happened to Margarito was not a mild injury. You could see right from the fourth round that the injury was very bad. EVERYONE watching that fight must've been thinking that Margarito was going to get stopped at some point but the ref was too idiotic to do it. That injury was severely underestimated. When they pulled up the punch zone grapics, it was shocking to see how much punishment Margarito was able to endure.

I don't doubt that Margarito's HEART and his CHIN will more than likely show up for the Cotto rematch but at this point, I'd estimate Margarito will only be 70-80% of what he once was based on the severe risk of the injury showing up in the middle of the fight.

Leonard suffered a similar injury in his fight against Hearns, but Leonard at least had boxing skills, defense, and took long periods of rest throughout his career. Margarito is ALWAYS getting punched no matter how good he looks, even in his biggest career victory against Cotto.

Margarito winning would be really bad. Because honestly, by the time he's done with Cotto (if he's done with Cotto), it's not like he's going to continue his career after this and if he does, I'd be really worried about him sustaining irreversible damage.

He's been fighting with that "I'll take your best punches and make you submit" for 18 years! Not many people fight that long considering how physically punishing this sport is. Margarito's mileage (coupled with his fighting style) means he's really, really battered at this point. He's one of the toughest SOBs in the sport right now (no doubt about it), but if Bob has any shred of humanity of left, this will be Margarito's last fight. Same for Cotto if he loses.

[TintaBoricua]

This topic needs more discussion...

BUMP!

[AllEyesOpen]

I feel most of the people saying the eye might be a problem for Marg, but what must be taken into account is, that when he did suffer the injury the first time, he didn't slow down, he didn't stop coming. He was losing every round, but that eye did nothing to stop Marg from coming forward.

I do think it might become swollen or injured badly again, but does that mean Marg is going to stop doing what he always does, and what broke Cotto down the first time? I don't think so, I see this fight playing out the same way it did the first time, except it might end sooner since it's at a higher weight.

[AnimalisticMeth]

I feel most of the people saying the eye might be a problem for Marg, but what must be taken into account is, that when he did suffer the injury the first time, he didn't slow down, he didn't stop coming. He was losing every round, but that eye did nothing to stop Marg from coming forward.

I do think it might become swollen or injured badly again, but does that mean Marg is going to stop doing what he always does, and what broke Cotto down the first time? I don't think so, I see this fight playing out the same way it did the first time, except it might end sooner since it's at a higher weight.

I disagree completly with your post but the bold part is something you have yet to comprehend and what you need to understand is that the Pacquiao fight should have been stopped around the 8th round but for some reason that didn't happen.

If that happens in NYC during the Cotto fight that fight is getting stopped for sure.

[ElMeroChingon]

What did we really expect, Margarito with no defense, it was a matter of time before someone got a good one on him. Trying to walk down guys for 15+years you're playing with odds, and they catch up with you.
I don't know how severe it is. But i'm sure it's not 100%. but it's not like Margarito cares anymore. All the Mystery behind him will come forth this DEC, that's for sure.

[jaded]

I feel most of the people saying the eye might be a problem for Marg, but what must be taken into account is, that when he did suffer the injury the first time, he didn't slow down, he didn't stop coming. He was losing every round, but that eye did nothing to stop Marg from coming forward.

I do think it might become swollen or injured badly again, but does that mean Marg is going to stop doing what he always does, and what broke Cotto down the first time? I don't think so, I see this fight playing out the same way it did the first time, except it might end sooner since it's at a higher weight.

good point...and Cotto is not Pac...I say Margarito over Cotto again.

[Bombs]

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think there were any talks of Cotto-Margarito II officially happening until AFTER the Pacquiao-Margarito fight. Seeing how much damage Margarito has taken over the course of Cotto/Mosley/Pacquiao, I sometimes wonder whether Margarito's chin will still be the same. And if it is (most likely will), I DON'T think that eye will hold up.

I understand that bones heal. This is why you have these karate practitioners breaking wooden boards and hurting themselves, but I believe there's a substance released that actually fortifies the bones afterwards. However, I understand it's for SLIGHT injuries, maybe tiny, minuscule fractures.

What happened to Margarito was not a mild injury. You could see right from the fourth round that the injury was very bad. EVERYONE watching that fight must've been thinking that Margarito was going to get stopped at some point but the ref was too idiotic to do it. That injury was severely underestimated. When they pulled up the punch zone grapics, it was shocking to see how much punishment Margarito was able to endure.

I don't doubt that Margarito's HEART and his CHIN will more than likely show up for the Cotto rematch but at this point, I'd estimate Margarito will only be 65-75% of what he once was based on the severe risk of the injury showing up in the middle of the fight.

Leonard suffered a similar injury in his fight against Hearns, but Leonard at least had boxing skills, defense, and took long periods of rest throughout his career. Margarito is ALWAYS getting punched no matter how good he looks, even in his biggest career victory against Cotto.

Margarito winning would be really bad. Because honestly, by the time he's done with Cotto (if he's done with Cotto), it's not like he's going to continue his career after this and if he does, I'd be really worried about him sustaining irreversible damage.

He's been fighting with that "I'll take your best punches and make you submit" for 18 years! Not many people fight that long considering how physically punishing this sport is. Margarito's mileage (coupled with his fighting style) means he's really, really battered at this point. He's one of the toughest SOBs in the sport right now (no doubt about it), but if Bob has any shred of humanity of left, this will be Margarito's last fight. Same for Cotto if he loses.

I remember talks of Cotto-Margarito II before the Pac fight but I remember Cotto said he didn't want Margarito to make a penny out of him. Hence Cotto already suspecting Marg had loaded gloves.

Yes the thing is I don't understand how a career ending type injury (at one point the doctors were not sure Margarito could box again) is not a factor in another fight. I mean after getting hit a while it has to get hurt or tender. It has to bother him somehow in my opinion.

That's the thing with Margo, his heart, will and desire are huge. He is a born warrior, something not all boxers are born with. He will give it all he is got and that poses problems for whoever he goes up against. He will be swinging with force till that last bell rings.

I think he will face a slightly lighter version of what Margarito used to be but I am honestly not sure. Margarito is like steel made. But like you said if Cotto loses it will be very bad for him as it would be a clear indication that he has fallen off big time. Of course it depends on how he loses.

[TintaBoricua]

I remember talks of Cotto-Margarito II before the Pac fight but I remember Cotto said he didn't want Margarito to make a penny out of him. Hence Cotto already suspecting Marg had loaded gloves.

Yes the thing is I don't understand how a career ending type injury (at one point the doctors were not sure Margarito could box again) is not a factor in another fight. I mean after getting hit a while it has to get hurt or tender. It has to bother him somehow in my opinion.

That's the thing with Margo, his heart, will and desire are huge. He is a born warrior, something not all boxers are born with. He will give it all he is got and that poses problems for whoever he goes up against. He will be swinging with force till that last bell rings.

I think he will face a slightly lighter version of what Margarito used to be but I am honestly not sure. Margarito is like steel made. But like you said if Cotto loses it will be very bad for him as it would be a clear indication that he has fallen off big time. Of course it depends on how he loses.

If he loses, he's done. And this is coming from a huge Cotto fan.

It's a dagger in the heart to lose to your nemesis again. When you consider both guys' records since July 2008, Cotto's is much better. When you consider the mileage on both fighters, Cotto's is much better. When you consider the skills and overall versatility, Cotto's is much better. When you consider the hometown crowd favoring you incase the rounds are close, Cotto...

Losing a DECISION to Margarito (in Madison Square Garden of all places) means Cotto was thoroughly outclassed/outmuscled. If he gets stopped again, I might just weep and have nightmares.

Cotto losing (considering all the advantages he HAS going for him) and hell, throw in there the catchweight, Margarito backers will have SERIOUS bragging rights for a long time. This would be the icing on the cake to a spectacular year for Mexicans.

Margarito is a warrior, but I'm still wondering how affected that eye is.

I'll say this about Margarito, if that SAME Margarito against Pacquiao shows up against Cotto, it's going to be a tough fight for Cotto because despite getting beaten up against Pacquiao, Margarito gave a GOOD HONEST effort in that fight even with his limited skills and actually punched Pacquiao with good shots several times. It doesn't make sense when it's written but anybody watching that fight closely knows what I mean. Margarito is going to give you hell even if he is losing badly. The man's a bad-ass, plain and simple...