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  • !! Anorak
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    John Ruiz Discussion Thread (no flames)

    This thread is a no-flaming zone. Serious discussion only. Thank you.



    Okay, I just wanted to talk about John Ruiz, but in a calm environment. Namely, appreciation of the guy within the current heavyweight make-up.

    It's a poor division, and John is the most accessible of the title holders, making concerted efforts to make his style more audience-friendly (as noted in the commentary in his last fight) and hosting his own forum. I won't even go into the fact that he and Stoney should be an ideal double-act. He hasn't got the most charisma in the world, but he seems a genuinely nice guy.

    Yet we want to talk about him in the ring, right? His fights are often ugly - he KNOWS they're ugly, and even apologised for the Rahman fight. Yet at such a poor level of professional boxing in the premier division, is he really so bad?

    Ruiz has been humiliated only twice in the ring. He was taken out in seconds by Tua, something which could have happened to anyone... indeed, the most dominant heavyweight of the last ten years wasn't averse to taking an early fall on one occasion. Then he was embarrassingly outclassed by Roy Jones Jr., but at a time when Roy was rightfully regarded as the p4p best on the planet.

    Let's talk about his achievements. Even though the Rahman fight was terrible to watch, while Hasim was regarded as the puncher going into the fight, not only did Ruiz unsuprisingly manage to neutralise his attacks (his much-maligned and deservedly so holding tactics) but surprisingly Ruiz had Rahman pointedly refusing to engage by his own firepower in the second half of the fight.

    James Toney? Much touted, whether it was intentional or not, Toney spent his bout with Ruiz juiced... and it was still a reasonably competitive match-up, with John all but abandoning his holding tactics for straight boxing.

    He's 1-1-1 against Holyfield in an era where Holyfield still had enough left to beat Hasim Rahman. He's got the chin to get up off the deck against Golota, and as he's only been KOed once in 48 fights we can even argue that the Tua incident was a freak accident. He's got the inner strength to carry on winning, despite being arguably the most detracted heavyweight champion in history. His 28 KOs from 41 wins isn't a bad record, and even includes scalps like Tony Tucker, someone a prime Tyson couldn't take out. (In fairness, Tucker was KOed in two by Herbie Hide, so I know this sort of thing is all paper).


    Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying Ruiz isn't dreadful to watch, and I'm not saying he's a great, even in today's scene. But for a guy who does his best with such a little, and carries on knowing how much he's scorned, doesn't he deserve at least a little respect?
  • theironone
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    he does deserve a little respect but hes still a wanker for suing toney and he shouldnt mix with the biggest prick around in stoney so he loses his little bit of respect there, i know im stretching it but **** him.

    In all seriousness tho he is a tryer and a very lucky one in that, he must be tooling the wba president to keep having the title given back to him

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    • !! Anorak
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      Originally posted by theironone
      he does deserve a little respect but hes still a wanker for suing toney and he shouldnt mix with the biggest prick around in stoney so he loses his little bit of respect there, i know im stretching it but **** him.

      In all seriousness tho he is a tryer and a very lucky one in that, he must be tooling the wba president to keep having the title given back to him
      This is it... when Johnny Nelson recently fought someone who turned out to be juiced people said it was bad because it was seriously risking Nelson's health. After all, you're engaging in the top level of a sport where the intention is to make your brain smash so hard against the side of your cranium you lose consciousness. To go into that, and they're on steroids AS WELL, is just plain wrong.

      If it was anyone else other than Ruiz (maybe Toney's popularity contributes as well - don't get me wrong, I love Toney) then people would be shaking their heads and taking his side. As it's Johnny people are practically saying he had it coming.

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      • jabsRstiff
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        How does one give respect to an outright disgrace ?

        Criticism, scorn, & outright hatred are what Ruiz & Stoney are worthy of, from fight fans.

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        • badblood
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          Ruiz get's mad respect from me, because he will fight anybody anytime, he doesnt even care that he get's paid less money. But sometimes his style drives me crazy and puts me to sleep.

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          • !! Anorak
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            Originally posted by badblood
            Ruiz get's mad respect from me, because he will fight anybody anytime, he doesnt even care that he get's paid less money. But sometimes his style drives me crazy and puts me to sleep.
            Yeah, this is the thing you can always say about Ruiz: like it or not, he's got the best resume of the current belt holders.

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            • jabsRstiff
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              It's his CONNECTIONS that have gotten him those garbage belts.

              How can you guys respect that ?

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              • !! Anorak
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                This thread is a no-flaming zone. Serious discussion only. Thank you.

                Originally posted by jabsRstiff
                It's his CONNECTIONS that have gotten him those garbage belts.

                How can you guys respect that ?
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                • jabsRstiff
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                  Oh...so disagreeing, & asking questions, motivated by my disagreeing....now constitutes "flaming" ?


                  Did I insult you ? No, I'm asking you questions, Anorak. You've gotten too sensitive, my friend.

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                  • RAESAAD
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                    I will give him credit where it is due he is tough and does take on all comers....but he is not fun to watch and should be penilized more for his exxcesive holding and he would not win as much if he was.

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