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  • Walt Liquor
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    #31
    Originally posted by djtmal
    hopkins was a shrunk down lightheavyweight fighting at middle anyways, so him moving from middle to 175 to beat a tarver who was hanging out on movie sets with stallone is no revelation...ain't so much that he's always fighting smaller men, but the height, reach, and strength advantages always makes sure he has going in make for unfair
    you're a fookin moron.

    20 defenses at a weight cannot possibly make you someone shrunken from another weight class. this is the ******est post ever.

    its a weight class fool, not a height, weight, or reach class.

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    • Truth
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      #32
      I think theres a bit of revisionist history going here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Hopkins the underdog against Tarver? I'm pretty sure Tarver was expected by most to win that fight. Then Hopkins trashes him and then its the weight from Rocky VI.

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      • Walt Liquor
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        #33
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza
        No, no he's not.

        He should have put top 10, and there's no shame in being a top 10 atg mw.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #34
          Originally posted by Walt Liquor
          He should have put top 10, and there's no shame in being a top 10 atg mw.
          I have him #10.

          No shame in being a Top 10 MW at all.

          Top 5? Just no.

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          • cupocity303
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            #35
            Originally posted by Walt Liquor
            you're a fookin moron.

            20 defenses at a weight cannot possibly make you someone shrunken from another weight class. this is the ******est post ever.

            its a weight class fool, not a height, weight, or reach class.
            Of course it was a ****** troll response.

            Pavlik was a bigger Middleweight than Hopkins, and it showed as he started having trouble making 160, to his own admission. Which means, fighting at 170 actually helped him more then it hurt him.

            Hopkins was a Light-Heavy for one fight, and probably realized that he was feeling faster and lighter on his feet at 160 and stayed there. Height has really nothing to do with it. Oh and he fought Delahoya at a catchweight, to accommodate Oscar. A supposedly BIG Middleweight shrunk down to 156 for Oscar. With everyone being TOO SMALL (Tito, Oscar, Pavlik) or WEIGHT DRAINED (Tarver), Hopkins was both and still won.

            Beat Oscar weighing in at 156, beat Tarver moving up two-weight classes. Beat Pavlik, a 6'2 Big Middleweight, who also moved up two-weight classes (well only 10 pounds).

            B-Hop is the man.

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            • TyrantT316
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              #36
              Who did Hopkins duck?

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              • Walt Liquor
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                #37
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                I have him #10.

                No shame in being a Top 10 MW at all.

                Top 5? Just no.
                1-2 more mw defenses against some sort of atg at 160 and he could have a case.

                top 5? top 5 since the 60s maybe.

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                • cupocity303
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Truth
                  I think theres a bit of revisionist history going here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Hopkins the underdog against Tarver? I'm pretty sure Tarver was expected by most to win that fight. Then Hopkins trashes him and then its the weight from Rocky VI.
                  Yes, I remember the lead up to that fight. He was a clear underdog according to the collective masses. This is where an apparently NATURAL Light-Heavyweight in Tarver, was getting too big for his natural Weight-Class of 175, as in weight drained, and therefore got dominated.

                  According to the masses, he was a underdog against Pavlik. This is where Pavlik was in the same shoes as B-Hop was, having to move up two-weight classes at once, for a catchweight nonetheless. No talk of Hopkins possibly draining himself, making 170. No, this time a 6'2 Middleweight was too small fighting 10 pounds above his usual weight, therefore losing to a 6'1 former Middleweight. Nevermind that he probably benefited physically from it, having to drain himself less, to make the 160 weight.
                  Last edited by cupocity303; 10-17-2011, 01:19 PM.

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                  • SplitSecond
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Walt Liquor
                    1-2 more mw defenses against some sort of atg at 160 and he could have a case.

                    top 5? top 5 since the 60s maybe.
                    i dont get it

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                    • Walt Liquor
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Cupocity303
                      Of course it was a ****** troll response.

                      Pavlik was a bigger Middleweight than Hopkins, and it showed as he started having trouble making 160, to his own admission. Which means, fighting at 170 actually helped him more then it hurt him.

                      Hopkins was a Light-Heavy for one fight, and probably realized that he was feeling faster and lighter on his feet at 160 and stayed there. Height has really nothing to do with it. Oh and he fought Delahoya at a catchweight, to accommodate Oscar. A supposedly BIG Middleweight shrunk down to 156 for Oscar. With everyone being TOO SMALL (Tito, Oscar, Pavlik) or WEIGHT DRAINED (Tarver), Hopkins was both and still won.

                      Beat Oscar weighing in at 156, beat Tarver moving up two-weight classes. Beat Pavlik, a 6'2 Big Middleweight, who also moved up two-weight classes (well only 10 pounds).

                      B-Hop is the man.

                      agreed.

                      I'm always having it out with people on the best resume of any active fighter (including roy).

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