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Do you think americans will keep crying about the HW division forever...?
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Originally posted by Money Shot View PostIf you look at the $150m plus Tyson made in his career there's plenty incentive for US based guys to try the game, they just aren't good enough, and I don't buy the NFL/NBA excuse.
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Originally posted by Money Shot View PostIf you look at the $150m plus Tyson made in his career there's plenty incentive for US based guys to try the game, they just aren't good enough, and I don't buy the NFL/NBA excuse.
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Originally posted by BulgariasFinest View PostTalent level could be ****, but the excuse of NFL and NBA cannot be the reason. It is the same for Europeans to say that most of the talent goes on to play football (soccer), which is true because of how popular football has always and will always be here. There is talent from ALL over the world, and boxing is and should be racially blind.Last edited by Pirao; 10-15-2011, 06:37 AM.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostHere's the reality for you. Heavyweights today come in overweight, lack stamina, defense, don't parry, don't throw in combination and rarely work the body anymore. If you really want me to prove this I can post endless video's. This is not subjective, it's a fact. And again, this has nothing to do with nationality, that's just your agenda talking.
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostAlso, it's not an opinion but a fact that the NFL and NBA have taken a lot of the guys who used to become heavyweights, due to boxing's falling popularity back in the 80's due to the rise of those two sports. It used to be that any athletic man with size wanted to be heavyweight champion, now they all want much easier money playing sports that don't require the work boxing does.
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Originally posted by Pirao View PostYou talking about agenda's is truly comedy. Post all the videos you want, like they prove **** You can't prove nothing about talent level because as I said, it can't be quantified, it's just subjective **** that people who can't face reality (like you) like to bring up as a last resorts since it can't be proved either way.
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Originally posted by Pirao View PostYou talking about agenda's is truly comedy. Post all the videos you want, like they prove **** You can't prove nothing about talent level because as I said, it can't be quantified, it's just subjective **** that people who can't face reality (like you) like to bring up as a last resorts since it can't be proved either way.
Sorry son, but it's only subjective to the unobjective viewer. To the fan who refuses to acknowledge that todays fighters (most) are exactly as I described. I have no problem acknowledging eastern Europe has a stronghold over most of the heavyweight division. Unfortunately with either your anti American agenda or your lack historical boxing knowledge you're blind to the facts that most of these fighters today lack skills and are out of shape.
I won't even bother showing you how fat todays fighters are, thats undeniable. But lets take a look at todays heir apparent Robert Helenius and Tim Witherspoon when he was 15-0 and up against an all time great. I dare anyone to tell me the difference in skills is not abundantly clear. Witherspoon parry's, moves his head, works the body, slips punches etc., etc. Helenius against a less than great Peter....eh, not so much.
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Originally posted by calmdown View Postyeah after the klitschkos retire and some fat talentless american bum steps up to claim the crown americans will hype the **** out of him and say he was better than the klitschkos lol.
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