Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – From Head Butts to Foot in Mouth

[MindBat]

Ok, fine. But would the commission accept that as unequivocal evidence of illegal elbow shots? And does it make Ortiz's actions justifiable?

Does it cancel out what Ortiz did?

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Ok, fine. But would the commission accept that as unequivocal evidence of illegal elbow shots? And does it make Ortiz's actions justifiable?

Does it cancel out what Ortiz did?

it does not and will not make Ortizs actions justifyable as you the fighter have an obligation to perserve the integrity of the sport.

However I just posted the fouls listed from Nevadas site and #14 seems to make a solid case for Ortiz, I posted them in the thread, What was lamply....
That rule right there says its a foul for a fighter, to use an unsporstman like trick to cause harm to another figher.
The way the fight ended, Ortiz did go to hug Floyd, Floyd nodded his head and embraced Ortiz and then sucker punched him.

[FeFist]

'In 100 years, when they say 'Man, he could've been the greatest in the world,' or 'He was the greatest' 'I'm going to say no no no, because you never knew the outcome of the Victor Ortiz fight'

[x3_bazooka_x3]

another thing, i am a fan of Floyd but I'm a fan of Manny also. Manny definitely has what it takes to give Mayweather his first lost ever because he's an incredible fighter. I'm not a damn bias boxing fan like most of you guys. You Floyd haters say a lot about Floyd not fighting tough fights and have a point but you guys don't say a damn thing when Manny fights the same fighters Floyd already fought.

its kind of hard to say anything in this regard when Floyd is retired when most of these fights get put together.
And honestly when Floyd announced the fight with Ortiz, I was excited that he would even take such a fight after such a long lay off, and the credit does go to him.
However the way it ended, clearly is a violation of Nevadas own rules, even though Cortez and Kaizer remains in denial along with the Floyd fans, it is and there is proof.

Either way, it doesnt seem that Floyd wants to fight Manny, I mean he says he does but I beleive he only says that to string his own fans along.
Whats pac supposed to do when Floyd wont fight or while Floyds retired, he went out and got the rest of the best. Sure the Mosley fight shouldnt have happend, but again who else was out there?

[beatnutts]

I don't have a problem saying maybe Mayweather is scared to get knocked out by Manny.. Manny is a damn monster but i appreciate Flolyd's skills. He's not the greatest, he's a jerk and he did sucker punch Ortiz but Ortiz doesn't deserve any sympathy.

[MindBat]

it does not and will not make Ortizs actions justifyable as you the fighter have an obligation to perserve the integrity of the sport.

However I just posted the fouls listed from Nevadas site and #14 seems to make a solid case for Ortiz, I posted them in the thread, What was lamply....
That rule right there says its a foul for a fighter, to use an unsporstman like trick to cause harm to another figher.
The way the fight ended, Ortiz did go to hug Floyd, Floyd nodded his head and embraced Ortiz and then sucker punched him.

In those vids you posted I saw 1 (one) elbow from Floyd that may have been cause for a warning. That was the one that looked like a back elbow shot.

All the other supposed elbow "shots" were deflecting or "room-making" arm positions with his elbow held high.

Like I said, the commission would have to review those closely and determine if those "shots" or arm positions were potentially injury causing physical actions.

Team Ortiz would have to have a strong case to present as their undeniable proof Floyd used his elbows to cause harm or injury, and the commission would have to agree.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I don't have a problem saying maybe Mayweather is scared to get knocked out by Manny.. Manny is a damn monster but i appreciate Flolyd's skills. He's not the greatest, he's a jerk and he did sucker punch Ortiz but Ortiz doesn't deserve any sympathy.

Floyd No doubt 7 years ago peaked and showed some of the greatest skill sets I have seen since a prime Roy Jones. But due to in long lay offs we will never truely see those skills pushed to the very limits he is starting to fade.

Nobody says Ortiz deserves sympathy as his headbutt was dirty as a ****ing 2 dollar **********.
However what he does deserve and what Floyd does deserve is to have a fair fight in which the referee is doing his job, and the rules of the sport are enforced, that is something Ortiz was robbed of. No matter how you slice it, Ortiz was not given a fair shake from the outset.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

In those vids you posted I saw 1 (one) elbow from Floyd that may have been cause for a warning. That was the one that looked like a back elbow shot.

All the other supposed elbow "shots" were deflecting or "room-making" arm positions with his elbow held high.

Like I said, the commission would have to review those closely and determine if those "shots" or arm positions were potentially injury causing physical actions.

Team Ortiz would have to have a strong case to present as their undeniable proof Floyd used his elbows to cause harm or injury, and the commission would have to agree.

Here is where I think Ortiz has an arguement

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nac/NAC-4...l#NAC467Sec682

NAC 467.675 Acts constituting fouls in boxing. (NRS 467.030) The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:

1. Hitting below the belt.

2. Hitting an opponent who is down or is getting up after being down.

3. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other.

4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch.

5. Wrestling or kicking.

6. If the referee has signaled that the opponent has been knocked out, striking an opponent who is helpless as a result of previous blows and so supported by the ropes that he does not fall.

7. Butting with the head or shoulder or using the knee.

8. Hitting with the open glove, the butt of the hand, the wrist or the elbow, and all backhand blows.

9. Purposely going down without being hit.

10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys.

11. Deliberately using the rabbit punch.

12. Jabbing the opponent’s eyes with the thumb of the glove.

13. Using abusive language in the ring.

14. Engaging in any unsportsmanlike trick or action which causes injury to an opponent. 15. Hitting on the break.

16. Hitting after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.

17. Hitting an opponent whose head is between and outside of the ropes.

18. Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes.

[beatnutts]

I like things to be fair but in this case, its either legal or illegal and thats it. No one is arguing if its a sucker punch because it was but you just can't call back results because it was a sucker punch.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I like things to be fair but in this case, its either legal or illegal and thats it. No one is arguing if its a sucker punch because it was but you just can't call back results because it was a sucker punch.

if you enforce #14 you can retract the outcome and it should be....