Martinez only rehydrated to 165..1 more pound than Ortiz

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He wants a big fight and Pirog is not a big fight. Also, what has Pirog proven? I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a shot, but he hasn't exactly beaten a lot of good fighters to say the least.

It isn't like Lee is a huge step down from Pirog.

yeah everyone wants a big fight but not everyone gets a big fight. so instead of fighting a worthy top 10 middle with a belt he wastes everyone's time with crap fights against "diving" darren barker. lee was losing to an average irish man before scoring a tenth round stoppage and he just looked lackluster against brian vera who's a punch bag. pirog has a world title and has dominated everyone he's fought like danny jacobs and kofi januah. the talent gap between pirog and lee is very wide.

[Pullcounter]

Then don't make the fight at 147 make it at 154 or 160 like all the rest of the welters have done before. What's the big deal? Welters have always moved up to face the middleweight champ. Why is now so different? Why are fans crying now? Why are you crying?

the point TS is trying to make is that martinez is about the same size as Ortiz, but Ortiz can make 147 and Martinez can't... so that means Martinez is too ****in big for WWs. Get that through your thick skulls

[RapidFire26]

yeah everyone wants a big fight but not everyone gets a big fight. so instead of fighting a worthy top 10 middle with a belt he wastes everyone's time with crap fights against "diving" darren barker. lee was losing to an average irish man before scoring a tenth round stoppage and he just looked lackluster against brian vera who's a punch bag. pirog has a world title and has dominated everyone he's fought like danny jacobs and kofi januah. the talent gap between pirog and lee is very wide.

Well, Sergio deserves one and would create more attention tahn Ortiz did.

Did you see his performance against Maciel? It was very disappointing.

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Well, Sergio deserves one and would create more attention tahn Ortiz did.

Did you see his performance against Maciel? It was very disappointing.

so mayweather and pac shouldn't fight martinez now because he had a dissapointing performance against baker?

[sweetpea87]

Vs. Darren Barker, Steroidgio Martinez only weighed ONE HUNDRED SIXTY-SUCK.

Can I ask why you hate Martinez so much?

[RapidFire26]

so mayweather and pac shouldn't fight martinez now because he had a dissapointing performance against baker?

So Pac had disappointing performances against Clottey and Mosley. I'd also point out that its hard to look great against a fighter trying to survive through a shell defense rather than win.

So Pirog desrves a shot at Martinez because of a disappointing win over Maciel and then beating Martirosyan? Pirog should fight someone like N'Jikam.

[jrosales13]

So Pac had disappointing performances against Clottey and Mosley. I'd also point out that its hard to look great against a fighter trying to survive through a shell defense rather than win.

So Pirog desrves a shot at Martinez because of a disappointing win over Maciel and then beating Martirosyan? Pirog should fight someone like N'Jikam.

So Pirog doesn't deserve a shot just yet, but Barker did?

[Phil Ivey]

Err you're an idiot Larry, by your logic Maragrito and Ortiz should fight @ 160? just because Ortiz came at that weight doesn't mean he's suited to that weight... rehydrating 12lbs+ is a worrying sign of troubles making weight.

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So Pac had disappointing performances against Clottey and Mosley. I'd also point out that its hard to look great against a fighter trying to survive through a shell defense rather than win.

So Pirog desrves a shot at Martinez because of a disappointing win over Maciel and then beating Martirosyan? Pirog should fight someone like N'Jikam.

pirog has a belt and is a top 10 middleweight. barker is neither of those. on top of that people want to see martinez fight pirog and no one wanted to see this crap fight. what's so hard to understand about that?

[RapidFire26]

pirog has a belt and is a top 10 middleweight. barker is neither of those. on top of that people want to see martinez fight pirog and no one wanted to see this crap fight. what's so hard to understand about that?

And people would much rather see Martinez-Mayweather than Martinez-Pirog. I have no problem with him fighting Pirog, but stop pretending as if he is the most desrving out of the top MW contenders. Martinez deserves a shot at Floyd more than Pirog does against Martinez imo.