Joe Calzaghe above Marvin Hagler ATG list?

[dan_cov]

joe calzaghe was chasing Antonio Tarver & Glen Johnson

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Antonio Tarver & Glen Johnson lost so the fight never happen

What Joe says & does are two totally different things. It's not a secret Joe pulled out of fights with Johnson AT LEAST twice! The guys a coward. Always was, always will be & true, legit boxing fans give him little credit because quite frankly his record is ridiculously padded.

Anyway thanks for the debate, couldn't of done it without you. I am off for a shower so if I don't reply it's because I am scrubbing my balls.

[daggum]

joe calzaghe quote "i don't want tough fights"
frank warren quote "calzaghe wanted easy fights"

cram your fake call out videos. joe calzaghe, his own promoter, and his resume speak for themselves. he even pretended he was scared of flying to avoid tough fights. come on!

[cornholioda3rd]

Can any Calzaghe fan defend the stoppages posted by the TS? Those are some of the worst of all time, hahahahahah.

[dan_cov]

joe calzaghe quote "i don't want tough fights"
frank warren quote "calzaghe wanted easy fights"

cram your fake call out videos. joe calzaghe, his own promoter, and his resume speak for themselves. he even pretended he was scared of flying to avoid tough fights. come on!

Haha that was a classic excuse. Scared of flying but don't he fly out to Italy most years to see family? haa!

[dan_cov]

Can any Calzaghe fan defend the stoppages posted by the TS? Those are some of the worst of all time, hahahahahah.

Haha how can you possibly even try defend those though? My personal favourite has to be the 16 slap flurry against Peter Manfredo Jnr - 12 miss, I think one skims the back of Manfredo's head & the other 3 hit the glvoes & the ref jumps in like ''**** he's being killed, STOP BOXING! STOP BOXING!''

[xxjace]

Funny.. Calzaghe was nothing more than an average boxer that had a few good wins..people act like he's some sort of god or legend..plz come on in 10 yrs people won't even know who he is..hell I done forgot about him lol..

[xxjace]

I'm not even a jones fan but if Joe fought him in his prime he would have been picked apart ...I've laughed at these calzaghe fanboys for yrs.

[Joeyzagz]

I was speaking on Hagler staying in one division.

As for Jones, I dont think he was built to fight elite south paws and would always have trouble with Calzaghe.

[Brother Jay]

Again and again and again ...

Calzaghe, like Kessler and Michalczewski, hid out in Europe .. fighting club fighters to pad their records.

Like Michalczewski, Calzaghe preferred to entice American fighters to come to Europe where many felt that they could not get a fair shake in the same building as Klaus Peter Kohl.

Hate it or love it ... America is the MECCA OF BOXING. Anyone wanting to be seen as great comes to America to prove themselves among the elite talent. Just ask the Klitschko brothers. Ask Kostya Tszyu. Ask Ricky Hatton.

Calzaghe hid out until RJJ and BHOP got passed their primes, and then and ONLY THEN was he willing to come out of his Osama Bin Laden-esque cave and fight them. History will show that.

None of these over-hyped Euro boxers can hold claim that they are great. At least Froch stepped up his efforts early in his career. The man only has 29 fights but has been fighting the best his division has to offer in this SMW tourney. The others have literally padded their records for 95% of their careers and then sought real challenges at the end.

Sorry. Calzaghe wished he was as good as Hagler. Calzaghe has NEVER faced a prime fighter on the level of the competition Hagler fought. Not even close. RJJ and BHOP retained their star power names but they are faded versions of their younger selves.

The mere notion that Calzaghe should even be mentioned in the same conversation is laughable. Its like comparing Hatton to JCC or Wladimir Klitschko to Larry Holmes.

Boxing, or at least the writers and a few of the historians, have really lost their fcuking mind. They are so terrified that if they don't make boxing seem as great as it once was that they'll be forced into covering toughman contests with Butterbean headlining.

Rating Calzaghe over Hagler is just reprehensible and reckless.

[Argentine]

From Wikipedia

In the first round, Calzaghe, who was seven years younger than Hopkins, was knocked with a straight right hand which led to Calzaghe suffered a small cut on the bridge of his nose.
Calzaghe was warned by referee Joe Cortez in the second round for throwing a low blow. Cortez later warned both fighters for hitting behind the head. The fight was definitely slipping into the pattern that favored Hopkins - slow, down and dirty.
Cortez called a timeout and brought both fighters to the center of the ring for a lecture in the fourth round. He did that after both of them had committed fouls - Calzaghe for holding and hitting and Hopkins for hitting on the break. Calzaghe still managed to land a couple of blows to the back of Hopkins' head at the end of the fifth round.
Calzaghe never got the opportunity to showcase his blazingly fast hands and his combinations. Hopkins would smother him whenever he tried to come in and throw more than one punch. But Hopkins seemed to slow down in the later rounds.
In the 10th round, Calzaghe hit Hopkins with a punch that was low. Hopkins crumpled to the canvas and was slow getting up. Cortez didn't take away a point, but gave Hopkins a two-minute break to gather himself. Calzaghe thought Hopkins was acting and waved for the crowd to show their displeasure with Hopkins. The fans booed on cue.
"It was a low blow," Hopkins said. "It knocked my privates out of the cup. That's why Joe gave me (two) minutes."
Hopkins complained of another low blow in the 11th round, but this time Cortez ignored his plea for time and told him to keep fighting. He came out and tried to ferociously attack Calzaghe, but Calzaghe charged back.
'Round 12: "The undefeated record is on the line and Calzaghe comes forward like he knows it. But Hopkins ties him up time and again. A frustrating final round for the Welshman and a frustrating fight really. Some experts disagree with me but I think Hopkins has this. Like I said before, I hope I'm wrong." ' -BBC Live Text Commentary.[7]
'Round 12: "A round that started with Calzaghe's corner imploring their man for a knockout ends with a strong flurry from the Welshman, but will it be enough? It's close, but Calzaghe was put down in the first round and Hopkins never allowed him to get near enough to show his talents to their best advantage. For me, it's Hopkins' fight, with the best that Calzaghe can hope for a split decision." ' -The Guardian Live Text Commentary.[8]
In the end, judges Chuck Giampa (116-111) and Ted Gimza (115-112) scored the fight for Calzaghe, while judge Adalaide Byrd (114-113) scored the fight for Hopkins. According to CompuBox, Calzaghe landed more punches on Hopkins than any of his previous opponents.[9]
The Associated Press,[10] New York Daily News,[11] Yahoo! Sports,[12] ESPN.com[13] and Fighthype[14] all scored it 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins.
"It was a good fight. I thought Bernard (Hopkins) won though," commented former undisputed Heavyweight champion, Mike Tyson.
"Hopkins beat Calzaghe, let's not forget. It was a split decision and a very close call, Calzaghe got beat up, his nose was bust and Hopkins was unmarked." Super middleweight champion Carl Froch commented, "Come on, put it in perspective and let's not lose our minds here, he was put on his ass by a 43-year-old (Bernard Hopkins) and 40-year-old (Roy Jones Jr.) in his last two fights."[15]

Carl Froch