Does Khan REALLY deserve a Floyd fight? Or...

[gashalasha7]

Some people do talk some rubbish. Khan is the top man in his division and has not ducked anybody - he is willing to fight the top fighters and to those who say he wants the pay day, Khan is already a multi millionaire and often talks of his legacy.

Mayweather is not a God (believe it or not)

[bojangles1987]

The power difference is imense between the 2 weights. Kotelnik & Collazo are not the same level weight wise at all, pfp maybe, but that's not litteral. Look at how Collazo manhandled Hatton, the best 140lber at the time. Hatton would have sonned Kotelnik. Alexander moved up in weight & you'll see what happens to him when he feels the welterweight power. How do you come to the assumption that Holt ****s harder than say a Berto? The real bottom line is that it's premature & rather redundant to say that jr welterweights beat real welterweights when the fact is that neither have a welterweight resume to begin with.

Khan is a big jr welterweight, but if Jones touches that fragile chin, he goes to sleep. Further more if you insist that 140 matters at 147, then I am entitled to insist the Khan's obliteration at the hands of Prescott further proves that welterweight power would decapitate him.

I never said Holt hits harder than Berto, but he hits harder than many welterweights. Dude had real power, still does. Khan took Maidana beating on him for nearly an entire round, I think he proved his chin isn't that fragile anymore. I think 147 would only help that.

Hatton didn't have a style that could translate to 147, his style was one that relied on bullying fighters. Bradley and Khan rely on skill, that's why they would translate well. Bradley might have trouble, but he's a damn good fighter. Two fights and he'd be used to it I think.

Fighters move up all the time. Why are you acting like no one has ever moved from 140 to 147 and immediately been better than most if not all the fighters there? I'm looking at the fighters Bradley and Khan have beaten and it's convinced me they would beat welterweights not as skilled as those they've already beaten.

[Bushbaby]

Right.

It's like saying that Pernell Whitaker should have fought Tracy Spann instead of Azumah Nelson at Lightweight because Nelson has no 'Lightweight credentials'

One weight class is not a big jump.

And Khan would be a tougher and more legit fight than any other WW out there other than Pacquaio and possibly Tim Bradley.

But, this is the guy who thinks Jan Zaveck has a chance against Mayweather

Wow, here comes captainsaveahoe, tell me why Khan does better against Floyd or Manny than Mike Jones would.

[Bushbaby]

I never said Holt hits harder than Berto, but he hits harder than many welterweights. Dude had real power, still does. Khan took Maidana beating on him for nearly an entire round, I think he proved his chin isn't that fragile anymore. I think 147 would only help that.

Hatton didn't have a style that could translate to 147, his style was one that relied on bullying fighters. Bradley and Khan rely on skill, that's why they would translate well. Bradley might have trouble, but he's a damn good fighter. Two fights and he'd be used to it I think.

Fighters move up all the time. Why are you acting like no one has ever moved from 140 to 147 and immediately been better than most if not all the fighters there?

Khan has no inside game, a bigger body at welterweight completely exposes that. Fighters do ,move up all the time, but rarely that translates into them beating top tier fighters off the bat. Prior-Arguello, Prior was simply too big & strong twice. Because he owned his weight class. Look at Marquez, moved to 135 & gets hurt by every fighter he's faced there. There is a major strength differance between 140 & 147. That's why the extra weight classes were added to begin with. The reason Pacman & Floyd have been so successful at 147 is because they cut no weight to fight there. Khan cuts weight, although I'm not sure about Bradley

[IronDanHamza]

Wow, here comes captainsaveahoe, tell me why Khan does better against Floyd or Manny than Mike Jones would.

Captain Saveahoe? And who am I saving? Bojangles?

Bojangles can defend himself he needs to help from me he is making his point very clearly.

By agreeing with him I am 'saving' him? Stop it.

Khan would fair better than Mike Jones because Amir Khan has actually beaten good fighters, and has a good resume.

Who has Mike Jones actually beat? Karass? A fighter he actually should have lost two in the first fight.

How about Henry Bruseless?

Mike Jones has done nothing at all to deserve a fight with Mayweather or Pac. Regardless to the fact Khan hasn't fought at WW before.

Shall I go through the same with Jan Zaveck and break it down for you?

How about Rafeal Jackiewicz?

Or what about Kell Brook? Does his monsterous wins over Jennings and Ndou got him a shot at Mayweather over Khan?

Just because they have fought at WW?

No, it doesn't.

[bojangles1987]

Khan has no inside game, a bigger body at welterweight completely exposes that. Fighters do ,move up all the time, but rarely that translates into them beating top tier fighters off the bat. Prior-Arguello, Prior was simply too big & strong twice. Because he owned his weight class. Look at Marquez, moved to 135 & gets hurt by every fighter he's faced there. There is a major strength differance between 140 & 147. That's why the extra weight classes were added to begin with. The reason Pacman & Floyd have been so successful at 147 is because they cut no weight to fight there. Khan cuts weight, although I'm not sure about Bradley

There is no Antonio Margarito at welterweight that would walk at Khan and expose his inside game.

Arguello was not his best at all, his age and long career have as much to do with that as moving up. Marquez too, he probably never would have left featherweight if not for his obsession with fighting Pacquiao. Bradley and Khan are young and just entering their primes, the weight wouldn't effect them like those two fighters.

[Bushbaby]

Captain Saveahoe? And who am I saving? Bojangles?

Bojangles can defend himself he needs to help from me he is making his point very clearly.

By agreeing with him I am 'saving' him? Stop it.

Khan would fair better than Mike Jones because Amir Khan has actually beaten good fighters, and has a good resume.

Who has Mike Jones actually beat? Karass? A fighter he actually should have lost two in the first fight.

How about Henry Bruseless?

Mike Jones has done nothing at all to deserve a fight with Mayweather or Pac. Regardless to the fact Khan hasn't fought at WW before.

Shall I go through the same with Jan Zaveck and break it down for you?

How about Rafeal Jackiewicz?

Or what about Kell Brook? Does his monsterous wins over Jennings and Ndou got him a shot at Mayweather over Khan?

Just because they have fought at WW?

No, it doesn't.

There you go butting in again & making stuff up. We're not debating who deserves to fight them. When it comes to Pac & Floyd, deserving has no authority. Khan or Bradley should in fact beat someone like Jones, Ortiz Zavek or Berto before they get the big boys though.

[Bushbaby]

There is no Antonio Margarito at welterweight that would walk at Khan and expose his inside game.

Arguello was not his best at all, his age and long career have as much to do with that as moving up. Marquez too, he probably never would have left featherweight if not for his obsession with fighting Pacquiao. Bradley and Khan are young and just entering their primes, the weight wouldn't effect them like those two fighters.

All the fighters I've named except for Jones has a better inside fight game than Khan. Berto actually started his pro career at 160. Khan got away with not having any inside fight skills because he was at 140. The bigger guys will bully his a$$ & get on the inside. Those were just examples to prove that weight matters.

[IronDanHamza]

There you go butting in again & making stuff up. We're not debating who deserves to fight them. When it comes to Pac & Floyd, deserving has no authority. Khan or Bradley should in fact beat someone like Jones, Ortiz Zavek or Berto before they get the big boys though.

So what is it about then? If it's not about deserving what is it about?

Who has the best chance of winning?

If so, Bradley and Khan have much more chance than the likes of Jan Zaveck, Victor Ortiz, Andre Berto and Mike Jones.

We don't even know how Mike Jones can perform against someone higher than bum level. And even then he is struggling witht he likes of Karass.

Maybe Khan should move up and beat Henry Brusless and some other bm ranked 63rd in the weight class.

Then is he a worthy opposition?

Do you genuinely feel that Amir Khan couldn't go though Mike Jones resume undefeated?

If so, then what's the difference between Mike Jones being able to beat him and Amir Khan being able to beat them?

[bojangles1987]

All the fighters I've named except for Jones has a better inside fight game than Khan. Berto actually started his pro career at 160. Khan got away with not having any inside fight skills because he was at 140. The bigger guys will bully his a$$ & get on the inside. Those were just examples to prove that weight matters.

Weight does matter, and would definitely be a factor for Bradley because he's small and very ripped at 140, but they are still better fighters than any of the guys at welterweight.

Berto has no inside game, so he isn't doing anything to Khan inside. None of those guys at welterweight are going to suddenly be great at running inside and bullying fighters when they don't do it to lesser fighters than Khan and Bradley right now. They may have the size to do it, but they aren't suddenly going to do it effectively against better fighters.