Does Khan REALLY deserve a Floyd fight? Or...

[Bushbaby]

If you look at the landscape around Mayweather, who else is more deserving besides Pacquiao? Khan is arguably the best fighter at 140 and 147 not named Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao, with the only other option being Tim Bradley, who is going to be Top Rank soon and getting a Pacquiao fight.

It's a very good fight for Floyd to take next year sometime.

Explain to me how Khan is arguably the best fighter at welterweight not named Floyd Or Pacman in detail please.

[bojangles1987]

Explain to me how Khan is arguably the best fighter at welterweight not named Floyd Or Pacman in detail please.

No one at 147 is really that good at the moment, there are guys that could be good but no one as proven as Khan or Bradley.

I mean, who at welterweight is better than Khan or Bradley?

[Bushbaby]

No one at 147 is really that good at the moment, there are guys that could be good but no one as proven as Khan or Bradley.

I mean, who at welterweight is better than Khan or Bradley?

What have Khan or Bradley done at welterweight to say that they are better than Berto, Jones, Zavek, or Ortiz for that matter? Other than Bradley beating Abregu.

[bojangles1987]

What have Khan or Bradley done at welterweight to say that they are better than Berto, Jones, Zavek, or Ortiz for that matter? Other than Bradley beating Abregu.

The two divisions aren't that far apart, and Ortiz came from 140, so there isn't that much a difference in weight. While there, Ortiz didn't look particularly good against the best fighters he fought, including guys Bradley and Khan beat convincingly. Berto's spent most his life fighting bums and hasn't looked good when moving up in competition, including losing decisively to Ortiz. Zaveck hasn't fought anybody, the Berto fight ended before we could see 12 rounds against someone worthwhile. Jones is young, and still making his move, soon maybe he'll put himself in position for Pacquiao or Mayweather, we'll see.

Bradley and Khan have beaten better fighters at 140 than anyone the guys at 147 have beaten. They have put in more work to get the money fights than anyone at 147.

[Bushbaby]

The two divisions aren't that far apart, and Ortiz came from 140, so there isn't that much a difference in weight. While there, Ortiz didn't look particularly good against the best fighters he fought, including guys Bradley and Khan beat convincingly. Berto's spent most his life fighting bums and hasn't looked good when moving up in competition, including losing decisively to Ortiz. Zaveck hasn't fought anybody, the Berto fight ended before we could see 12 rounds against someone worthwhile. Jones is young, and still making his move, soon maybe he'll put himself in position for Pacquiao or Mayweather, we'll see.

Bradley and Khan have beaten better fighters at 140 than anyone the guys at 147 have beaten. They have put in more work to get the money fights than anyone at 147.

Name 1 fighter on either Bradley or Khan's resume that is better than Collazo. Bradley & Khan outside of Abregu to Bradley have beaten absolutely no fighter at welterweight, therefore cannot be considered better welterweights than the career welterweights who have competed & kicked a$$ there. Jones is at contender status right now & I'll go as far as to say he stops both Bradley & Khan brutaly. Berto & Zavek go 50/50 against them, as well as Ortiz.

[bojangles1987]

Name 1 fighter on either Bradley or Khan's resume that is better than Collazo. Bradley & Khan outside of Abregu to Bradley have beaten absolutely no fighter at welterweight, therefore cannot be considered better welterweights than the career welterweights who have competed & kicked a$$ there. Jones is at contender status right now & I'll go as far as to say he stops both Bradley & Khan brutaly. Berto & Zavek go 50/50 against them, as well as Ortiz.

Kotelnik is the same level fighter as Collazo, so that's one for Khan. I'd say Maidana is too. He beat both convincingly. Peterson is very good, he did have a draw with Ortiz, and Bradly beat him decisively. Alexander is a good fighter with good wins, despite how bad he was overrated. Holt was a very dangerous fighter and harder hitter than many of the current welterweights.

I think you are thinking of the jump to 147 as more than it actually is. Khan especially would probably benefit quite a bit from a jump to 147, because he's a big guy. Bradley is smaller, so he might not translate to welterweight as well, but that's not an issue against either Mayweather or Pacquiao because they aren't big welterweights. Bottom line is that Khan and Bradley are higher level fighters than anyone at welterweight, and have proven so numerous times. 140 and 147 are not that different. I'd take both Khan and Bradley to beat Berto, Jones, Zaveck, and Ortiz clearly.

[RubenSonny]

What have Khan or Bradley done at welterweight to say that they are better than Berto, Jones, Zavek, or Ortiz for that matter? Other than Bradley beating Abregu.

please tell me your not suggesting that those fighters deserve a mega-fight more than Bradley or Khan?

[Bushbaby]

Kotelnik is the same level fighter as Collazo, so that's one for Khan. I'd say Maidana is too. He beat both convincingly. Peterson is very good, he did have a draw with Ortiz, and Bradly beat him decisively. Alexander is a good fighter with good wins, despite how bad he was overrated. Holt was a very dangerous fighter and harder hitter than many of the current welterweights.

I think you are thinking of the jump to 147 as more than it actually is. Khan especially would probably benefit quite a bit from a jump to 147, because he's a big guy. Bradley is smaller, so he might not translate to welterweight as well, but that's not an issue against either Mayweather or Pacquiao because they aren't big welterweights. Bottom line is that Khan and Bradley are higher level fighters than anyone at welterweight, and have proven so numerous times. 140 and 147 are not that different. I'd take both Khan and Bradley to beat Berto, Jones, Zaveck, and Ortiz clearly.

The power difference is imense between the 2 weights. Kotelnik & Collazo are not the same level weight wise at all, pfp maybe, but that's not litteral. Look at how Collazo manhandled Hatton, the best 140lber at the time. Hatton would have sonned Kotelnik. Alexander moved up in weight & you'll see what happens to him when he feels the welterweight power. How do you come to the assumption that Holt ****s harder than say a Berto? The real bottom line is that it's premature & rather redundant to say that jr welterweights beat real welterweights when the fact is that neither have a welterweight resume to begin with.

Khan is a big jr welterweight, but if Jones touches that fragile chin, he goes to sleep. Further more if you insist that 140 matters at 147, then I am entitled to insist the Khan's obliteration at the hands of Prescott further proves that welterweight power would decapitate him.

[IronDanHamza]

Kotelnik is the same level fighter as Collazo, so that's one for Khan. I'd say Maidana is too. He beat both convincingly. Peterson is very good, he did have a draw with Ortiz, and Bradly beat him decisively. Alexander is a good fighter with good wins, despite how bad he was overrated. Holt was a very dangerous fighter and harder hitter than many of the current welterweights.

I think you are thinking of the jump to 147 as more than it actually is. Khan especially would probably benefit quite a bit from a jump to 147, because he's a big guy. Bradley is smaller, so he might not translate to welterweight as well, but that's not an issue against either Mayweather or Pacquiao because they aren't big welterweights. Bottom line is that Khan and Bradley are higher level fighters than anyone at welterweight, and have proven so numerous times. 140 and 147 are not that different. I'd take both Khan and Bradley to beat Berto, Jones, Zaveck, and Ortiz clearly.

Right.

It's like saying that Pernell Whitaker should have fought Tracy Spann instead of Azumah Nelson at Lightweight because Nelson has no 'Lightweight credentials'

One weight class is not a big jump.

And Khan would be a tougher and more legit fight than any other WW out there other than Pacquaio and possibly Tim Bradley.

But, this is the guy who thinks Jan Zaveck has a chance against Mayweather

[Bushbaby]

please tell me your not suggesting that those fighters deserve a mega-fight more than Bradley or Khan?

I'm not talking about deserving anything, I'm debating a fellow boxing fan about the premature assumption that Khan & Bradley walk the lot at 147. But if you wanna talk about deserving paydays no one at 154 & below deserves to fight Floyd or Pacman more than Martinez.