Kenny Bayless gives his thoughts on Mayweather-Ortiz.

[1dcsailor]

What most people are missing is that the real issue isn't whether Ortiz deserved what he got, but whether the fans deserved what they got. They didn't. Mayweather got paid $40 million for this fight, money which ultimately came from the fans, and in return he delivered a hugely anti-climactic ending. Anyone can get a knock-out by hitting someone who is looking at the ref and has his hands down. It doesn't take a great fighter to be able to do that. But Floyd is a great fighter, and could have got a highlight reel knock-out and sent the fans home happy, instead of giving the fans a massively anti-climactic ending. If he'd done that everyone would have been celebrating a great performance by a true master boxer instead of debating the rights and wrongs of the way the fight ended. Floyd let the fans who pay him down, and himself down, by taking advantage of a man who wasn't in a position to defend himself when he had the ability to get the knock-out using his skills.

And Cortez screwed up big time by looking at the timekeepers instead of at the action at the crucial moment.

You guys are killing me with this blame Cortez argument. If Cortez was looking Mayweather was still going to two piece him and Ortiz still would have got knocked out. Cortez said "lets go" and motioned them to continue. At that point the fight was on. Mayweather threw 2 clean punches therefore It wouldn't have mattered. What difference would have been made if he was looking?

[Dave Rado]

You guys are killing me with this blame Cortez argument. If Cortez was looking Mayweather was still going to two piece him and Ortiz still would have got knocked out. Cortez said "lets go" and motioned them to continue. At that point the fight was on. Mayweather threw 2 clean punches therefore It wouldn't have mattered. What difference would have been made if he was looking?

It was the fact that Cortez was looking at the timekeepers that made Ortiz (and many fans, until they watched the replay) think that the fight hadn't yet recommenced. Ortiz didn't hear him say "let's go". That doesn't excuse Ortiz: As Floyd says, it's protect yourself at all times. But Cortez was completely in the wrong nevertheless.

[CubanGuyNYC]

You're missing the point. The point is that the fans lost out and Mayweather didn't need to win that way. He had the skills to win on merit.

Dave, your point is perfectly understood, I assure you. I agree that Mayweather has the skills to win a fight with Ortiz in a more conventional way. It just so happens that Floyd saw fit to end it opportunistically. Would it surprise you to find out Mayweather ultimately doesn't really give a damn what the fans think? If people don't like it, they can vote with their wallets. But you know as well as I do that they'll be back...and so will you...and so will I.

[Dave Rado]

Dave, your point is perfectly understood, I assure you. I agree that Mayweather has the skills to win a fight with Ortiz in a more conventional way. It just so happens that Floyd saw fit to end it opportunistically. Would it surprise you to find out Mayweather ultimately doesn't really give a damn what the fans think? If people don't like it, they can vote with their wallets. But you know as well as I do that they'll be back...and so will you...and so will I.

Floyd has very contradictory attitudes to what the fans (and boxing experts) think. Sometimes he gets very emotional when he is criticised, even breaking down in tears at times; and he often makes it clear that he wants to remembered as a great fighter, perhaps as the greatest of all time. Other times, as you say, he only seems to care about money and not about legacy or respect. But to the extent that he does care about his legacy, and part of him does, he did himself no favours in the way he ended the fight.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Floyd has very contradictory attitudes to what the fans (and boxing experts) think. Sometimes he gets very emotional when he is criticised, even breaking down in tears at times; and he often makes it clear that he wants to remembered as a great fighter, perhaps as the greatest of all time. Other times, as you say, he only seems to care about money and not about legacy or respect. But to the extent that he does care about his legacy, and part of him does, he did himself no favours in the way he ended the fight.

On this we can finally agree....

[1dcsailor]

It was the fact that Cortez was looking at the timekeepers that made Ortiz (and many fans, until they watched the replay) think that the fight hadn't yet recommenced. Ortiz didn't hear him say "let's go". That doesn't excuse Ortiz: As Floyd says, it's protect yourself at all times. But Cortez was completely in the wrong nevertheless.

How when the ref clearly said "lets go" and motioned them to fight on. After he did that Ortiz was supposed to be locked in on Mayweather not Cortez. He was instructed to go and that's that. Ortiz made a costly mistake by not defending himself that I, Kenny Bayless, and many others agree.

Ortiz was supposed to duck after the left hook. He stood there like a deer in headlights and ate that right hand that followed. Floyd even paused before he threw that right hand.

[1dcsailor]

Floyd has very contradictory attitudes to what the fans (and boxing experts) think. Sometimes he gets very emotional when he is criticised, even breaking down in tears at times; and he often makes it clear that he wants to remembered as a great fighter, perhaps as the greatest of all time. Other times, as you say, he only seems to care about money and not about legacy or respect. But to the extent that he does care about his legacy, and part of him does, he did himself no favours in the way he ended the fight.

good point here. Mayweather clearly has internal issues that he's dealing with and that's why we get all these sporadic outbursts from him.

[Main Source]

He did hesitate on the cheap shot portion. I think he wanted to call it a cheap shot, but then remembered he's a ref and should judge the actions based on such.

Or maybe he thought about the consequences of not being politically incorrect but ended up deciding to tell it like it is? That the punch was legal and Floyd did not do anything wrong. It was all on Ortiz.

I'm sick and tired of people taking this outcome as a hostage just to push their own (political) agenda. Doug Fischer is only one of a bunch.

Aurum is talking about him being disgusted and that his fighters would never do such thing. Well, Bobby Boy, you got caught for bribery and your once high profile fighter has been caught for having plaster in his wraps - and you brought him home to fight anyway. Now that's disgusting.

[Main Source]

good point here. Mayweather clearly has internal issues that he's dealing with and that's why we get all these sporadic outbursts from him.

Nearly a decade of disrespect from his own "family", HBO, and in front of million viewers would eventually break him down. And "eventually", is now.

A part of that is his own fault but the lack of "journalism" from HBO has also taken its toll.