Kenny Bayless gives his thoughts on Mayweather-Ortiz.

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  • straightleft
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    #11
    looking at the video when cortiz said "lets go" it was then after 2-3 seconds when he said "time in" not looking at the fighters curent situation.

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      #12
      Kenny speaks the truth

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      • freedom213
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        #13
        Originally posted by reedickyaluss
        When it happened... my first thought was Floyd was at fault.. but I never saw Cortez tell them to go ahead and fight... I thought they were still in time out mode... after watching it on video it cleared up the fact that it was time in... a bit unsportsmanlike, but he did just get his chin bashed in with a leaping headbutt so...

        that's the truth right there, my problem is not so much with the fighters because this is a fight, these guys are warriors who bleed and die in the ring. They get hurt, maybe lose control of themselves and do things outside of the rules and general nature of good sportsmanship.

        My problem is with the sloppy nature of how the foul and resumption of the fight happened. These type of events have happened plenty of times throughout boxing history without detonating an entire fight. I watched the fight in a theater so like everyone there the whole event from the headbutt on seemed like a snowball of chaos that crescendo-ed with Ortiz getting KO'd. I could not believe how out of control Cortez was in handling the situation.

        First off, Cortez should have let the doctor take a look at Floyd's mouth for two reasons mainly cause that was a bad cut but also cause it provides a moment to diffuse the situation and allow the ref to regain control, then take the points away, bring them to the center, issue a warning to keep it clean, send them to the neutral, call time in and let them resume. The way he did it was a hodgepodge of confusion. I mean when he kinda resumed the action then called time in Cortez was turned around looking the other freaking way, Ortiz was obviously confused and Mayweather rightly so was so pissed he couldn't see straight, neither one of the fighters appeared to be paying any attention to the refs instructions leaving myself and most watching wondering WTF is going on? Just piss poor.

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          #14
          Originally posted by freedom213
          that's the truth right there, my problem is not so much with the fighters because this is a fight, these guys are warriors who bleed and die in the ring. They get hurt, maybe lose control of themselves and do things outside of the rules and general nature of good sportsmanship.

          My problem is with the sloppy nature of how the foul and resumption of the fight happened. These type of events have happened plenty of times throughout boxing history without detonating an entire fight. I watched the fight in a theater so like everyone there the whole event from the headbutt on seemed like a snowball of chaos that crescendo-ed with Ortiz getting KO'd. I could not believe how out of control Cortez was in handling the situation.

          First off, Cortez should have let the doctor take a look at Floyd's mouth for two reasons mainly cause that was a bad cut but also cause it provides a moment to diffuse the situation and allow the ref to regain control, then take the points away, bring them to the center, issue a warning to keep it clean, send them to the neutral, call time in and let them resume. The way he did it was a hodgepodge of confusion. I mean when he kinda resumed the action then called time in Cortez was turned around looking the other freaking way, Ortiz was obviously confused and Mayweather rightly so was so pissed he couldn't see straight, neither one of the fighters appeared to be paying any attention to the refs instructions leaving myself and most watching wondering WTF is going on? Just piss poor.

          Doesnt the ref have to look at the time keeper everytime he calls time in, where in boxing history has there been a time limit for the ref to call time in. The Cortez stopped the action, deducted the point, bring both fighters together and called time in, he did his job, time was in period, stop making excuses the ref should not be the escape goat!

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            #15
            Originally posted by freedom213
            that's the truth right there, my problem is not so much with the fighters because this is a fight, these guys are warriors who bleed and die in the ring. They get hurt, maybe lose control of themselves and do things outside of the rules and general nature of good sportsmanship.

            My problem is with the sloppy nature of how the foul and resumption of the fight happened. These type of events have happened plenty of times throughout boxing history without detonating an entire fight. I watched the fight in a theater so like everyone there the whole event from the headbutt on seemed like a snowball of chaos that crescendo-ed with Ortiz getting KO'd. I could not believe how out of control Cortez was in handling the situation.

            First off, Cortez should have let the doctor take a look at Floyd's mouth for two reasons mainly cause that was a bad cut but also cause it provides a moment to diffuse the situation and allow the ref to regain control, then take the points away, bring them to the center, issue a warning to keep it clean, send them to the neutral, call time in and let them resume. The way he did it was a hodgepodge of confusion. I mean when he kinda resumed the action then called time in Cortez was turned around looking the other freaking way, Ortiz was obviously confused and Mayweather rightly so was so pissed he couldn't see straight, neither one of the fighters appeared to be paying any attention to the refs instructions leaving myself and most watching wondering WTF is going on? Just piss poor.
            Some commentators on ESPN were pointing out the sloppy nature of Cortez's officiating as a catalyst for the evening's controversy. I myself had not considered that fact, since I was, like most people, overly focused on the fighters' actions.

            There's no doubt; Joe Cortez was a big reason why that fiasco was allowed to happen. I had been leveling sole blame on Ortiz up to the point I watched the ESPN clip. Now I think Victor and Cortez share the greatest blame for what happened.

            I agree with Reed: What Mayweather did was somewhat grimy, but it was legal, and therefore within his rights. Would I have done it? Probably not. But that doesn't diminish Floyd's right to handle things as he saw fit. He gets enough hate as it is, what's a little more? lol

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              #16
              Originally posted by freedom213
              that's the truth right there, my problem is not so much with the fighters because this is a fight, these guys are warriors who bleed and die in the ring. They get hurt, maybe lose control of themselves and do things outside of the rules and general nature of good sportsmanship.

              My problem is with the sloppy nature of how the foul and resumption of the fight happened. These type of events have happened plenty of times throughout boxing history without detonating an entire fight. I watched the fight in a theater so like everyone there the whole event from the headbutt on seemed like a snowball of chaos that crescendo-ed with Ortiz getting KO'd. I could not believe how out of control Cortez was in handling the situation.

              First off, Cortez should have let the doctor take a look at Floyd's mouth for two reasons mainly cause that was a bad cut but also cause it provides a moment to diffuse the situation and allow the ref to regain control, then take the points away, bring them to the center, issue a warning to keep it clean, send them to the neutral, call time in and let them resume. The way he did it was a hodgepodge of confusion. I mean when he kinda resumed the action then called time in Cortez was turned around looking the other freaking way, Ortiz was obviously confused and Mayweather rightly so was so pissed he couldn't see straight, neither one of the fighters appeared to be paying any attention to the refs instructions leaving myself and most watching wondering WTF is going on? Just piss poor.
              Excelent post, i just wich most ppl got this. I also think Cortez was extremely unprofessional for a fight of that magnitude.

              I dont like what floyd did... but it was ok ortiz lost waaay too much concentration. Floyd its always on fight mode.

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                #17
                Although Cortez did say lets go to get the fight going, he himself was not acting that way by looking away from the action. He has to be at fault for that.

                Floyd's punch was a sucker punch. I don't see how anyone can dispute that. It was obvious Ortiz was not paying attention. That doesn't make it illegal, but it does make it cheap.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ..David..
                  Excelent post, i just wich most ppl got this. I also think Cortez was extremely unprofessional for a fight of that magnitude.

                  I dont like what floyd did... but it was ok ortiz lost waaay too much concentration. Floyd its always on fight mode.
                  I agree. Victor forgot it was a fight, became too apologetic and let his guard down. Floyd capitalized on Ortiz's loss of focus. To me, this is what it was all about...until Cortez's failings were pointed out. The ref really should have taken better control of the match and ordered the fighters to neutral corners.

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                    #19
                    I am a amateur boxing trainer in phoenix. When these kids start boxing the ref is not allowed to talk they give hand gestures to make sure everybody understands whats going on. I would've loved to see the fight finish but when cortez said lets go and waived them in to fight Floyd and Ortiz knew what was going on thats why they both walked up on each other. the problem is Ortiz wanted one more apology and Floyd was ready to fight. Thats all ortiz knows better he has been boxing for a long time.

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                    • CubanGuyNYC
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by -Antonio-
                      Although Cortez did say lets go to get the fight going, he himself was not acting that way by looking away from the action. He has to be at fault for that.

                      Floyd's punch was a sucker punch. I don't see how anyone can dispute that. It was obvious Ortiz was not paying attention. That doesn't make it illegal, but it does make it cheap.
                      Ortiz was looking right at Mayweather when he caught a left to the dome. It was after that little wake-up call that Victor unadvisedly took his eyes off Floyd. Time was in. Was Mayweather supposed to stand there and wait for Ortiz to get set? Floyd was committed by then. Unsporting or not, you agree it was legal. As bad a taste as that fight left, it was a legit win. Not much to be said after that.

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