"Where was Pacquiao in 1996-2001 when I was dominating the game?" PBF

[daggum]

Obviously they were taking not only the fact that Mayweather was an olympian, but his opponents "at the time". I don't think they were all a apart of some conspiracy theory against Pac and for Mayweather.

Mayweather's resume obviously had some credibility. Also, it could've been the way he looked during his wins that the credible sports writers and general public took into consideration.

none of those guys were in the top 10. they were nobodies. they basically enabled him to cherry pick by continually rewarding him with accolades he didn't deserve. yeah he looked good but everyone looks good against bums.

in 98 he fought hernandez and manfredy and they put him at number 8. that right there is highly debatable but not overly insane. then they put him at number 2 after fighting 3 more bums. i've never seen anyone else rewarded so greatly.

khan still isn't in the top 10 and he has a better resume than floyd had. froch still isn't in the top 10 and he has a better resume than floyd had. steve cunningham has beaten the 3 other champs in his division and he has the other belt and he's still not on the list. so obviously the list isn't based on resume at all. it's based on how you look and "what ifs" but how do you know how he will look against elite competition if he never fights them!

people thought hearns would beat leonard because he was destroying lesser competition while leonard was having tough battles with all time greats and he even lost(omg!). they thought he would beat leonard based on fantasy not reality. should hearns have been ranked higher than leonard based on fantasy? i think not yet everything has been turned on its head and now simply winning is better than beating good competition.

[ballgamessuck]

Mayweather
1996 - pro debut for Mayweather age 19
1998 - WBC Super Featherweight title 130lbs age 21
2001 - fights Corrales 130lbs age 24

Pacquiao
1995 - pro debut for Pacquiao age 16
1998 - WBC Flyweight title 112lbs age 19
2001 - IBF/WBO Super Bantamweight titles 120lbs age 22

To answer Mayweather's question:

Pacquiao was becoming a 2 weight world champion 1996 to 2001. Mayweather was becoming a 1 weight world champion. They both won their first world title in the same year. Pacquiao was a world champion 2 years younger than Mayweather.

Where was Pacquiao? 2 weight divisions below you.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 1927-2003

...and yet hardly anyone had ever heard of him until he fought and beat fighters faster and 'more convincingly' than Mayweather did, which is his point. No one was calling for Mayweather, the #1 P4P fighter at the time, to fight Pacquiao until he beat De La Hoya. He certainly hadn't been getting many PPV buys.

Its pretty undisputable that Top Ranks strategy for the past few years is to beat fighters more convincingly than Mayweather did. Freddie Roach himself said as much before they fought Mosley, which was someone he was, on camera, quoted as saying he didn't want Pacquiao to go up against.

Maybe because Floyd was an American star?
The fuck are you thinking?

Thanks smoke, that in addition to the fact that after Paq lost to Morales, Roach decided that he was going to gradually make Paq into a more complete fighter. He hasnt lost since.

[charlieg]

It was followed up by the fact that his very next fight was against Ricky Hatton, someone else that Mayweather had just fought. I don't really feel like I should have to lay this out. I'm not saying that Pacquiao isn't a great fighter, I'm simply saying that Top Rank's strategy for making him into a mega star was to fight people that Mayweather had already fought and do a better job.

By pointing that out you think I'm not knowledgable? Really?

The problem with your premise is that Pacquiao was already a mega star by the time he knocked out Hatton. He was the recognised P4P king (albeit because Mayweather had retired). Yes, Top Rank has chosen some Mayweather ex-opponents but only because they were the more recognisable fighters at Welterweight. By your logic, Pacquiao should have fought Judah, DeMarcus Corley, Castillo. If he had, you'd have a point. He hasn't. De La Hoya was always a golden egg. Hatton was desparate to avenge his loss and Pacquiao was P4P #1. Mosley was the biggest name in the division after Cotto moved up with Mayweather retired.

Pacquiao is not famous because of Mayweather. If you think that, you're not knowledgeable. He was already P4P #1 before De La Hoya, a global mega star due to a decade of multi-weight world titles and fights with other boxing super stars, and became an 8 weight world champion without all the Mayweather ex-opponents.

[jcpryor]

The problem with your premise is that Pacquiao was already a mega star by the time he knocked out Hatton. He was the recognised P4P king (albeit because Mayweather had retired). Yes, Top Rank has chosen some Mayweather ex-opponents but only because they were the more recognisable fighters at Welterweight. By your logic, Pacquiao should have fought Judah, DeMarcus Corley, Castillo. If he had, you'd have a point. He hasn't. De La Hoya was always a golden egg. Hatton was desparate to avenge his loss and Pacquiao was P4P #1. Mosley was the biggest name in the division after Cotto moved up with Mayweather retired.

Pacquiao is not famous because of Mayweather. If you think that, you're not knowledgeable. He was already P4P #1 before De La Hoya, a global mega star due to a decade of multi-weight world titles and fights with other boxing super stars, and became an 8 weight world champion without all the Mayweather ex-opponents.

So you're saying that Pacquiao was a mega star before he fought De La Hoya?

[charlieg]

So you're saying that Pacquiao was a mega star before he fought De La Hoya?

He headlined on PPV 8 times before the De La Hoya fight.

Of couse, facing De La Hoya increased his American exposure and subsequent PPV numbers, but then the exact same happened for Mayweather. Prior to De La Hoya, they were pretty much the same.

Don't forget that Pacquiao is a massive star outside the US. More people in the UK have heard of Pacquiao than Mayweather, in my experience. He has been very famous across Asia since Barrera, whereas Mayweather is generally unknown outside of Pacquiao's fanbase.

Not that it means much, but a Google (.co.uk) for Pacquiao yields 38.8 million results, whereas Mayweather yields 17.2 million results.

[fceeviper]

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Cheapweather with his excuses .................................................. again.

I spit out my beer in laughter.

[RuMbLe]

Without looking it up, I'm guessing Pacquiao was at bantam or super bantam. Mayweather is looking like a ignorant dumb and jealous *****. I see now he's aiming for the excuse that he's too old for Pacquiao. Always an excuse with this guy.

[charlieg]

Without looking it up

I already did that for you.

[bojangles1987]

People forget that Pacquiao was a relatively popular fighter before the De La Hoya fight. I'm pretty sure the Pacquiao-Marquez rematch is still the most bought PPV in a division under welterweight ever at 400k.

[ThePrince]

he was still an infant on the planet krypton. His father jor-el pacquiao placed him in a rocket ship and set a course for earth as the planet exploded around them. He arrived on our planet in the year 2008, which is why you never heard about him before that.

Our red sun is the source of his incredible power and the reason floyd cannot fight him. His only weakness is ost aka 'kryptonite'.