An interesting obsevation concerning Floyd in the Mosley fight.

[tibbar]

I don't see how.

In the Berto fight did Ortiz have to endure several draining media days?

Did Ortiz have tons of camera's in his gym contantly?

Did he have this amount of spotlight on him with people watching his every move?

The media all over him?

Was the stage this big or was it just one of his normal fights?

It's really not the same.

that can go either way, it can disrupt him and cause him to be unfocused or it can really motivate him, the latter will pose big problem to his opponent come fight night. everything's going for ortiz really, he thrives being underdog.

[Mr. Philadel]

I'm too much of Shane fan to watch the fight with Floyd again...I think I watched it just once afterwards...so I can't really say if Floyd was steady on his wheels or not...all I know, from the opposite team's perspective it looked like he was on his game....now as far a s Vic catching Floyd, would love to see that....in fact I CAN see that...Floyd getting dropped is ANOTHER thing I can see happening...the ONLY thing I can't see is Vic winning....but I'm not counting him out by any means....I'm a huge fan of the UPSET....thats how I roll....being SMART makes me put money on Floyd and Pac to stop their next dance partners...but the heart wanna see Vic and JMM come through in a blaze of glory

[Bushbaby]

I'm too much of Shane fan to watch the fight with Floyd again...I think I watched it just once afterwards...so I can't really say if Floyd was steady on his wheels or not...all I know, from the opposite team's perspective it looked like he was on his game....now as far a s Vic catching Floyd, would love to see that....in fact I CAN see that...Floyd getting dropped is ANOTHER thing I can see happening...the ONLY thing I can't see is Vic winning....but I'm not counting him out by any means....I'm a huge fan of the UPSET....thats how I roll....being SMART makes me put money on Floyd and Pac to stop their next dance partners...but the heart wanna see Vic and JMM come through in a blaze of glory

The bold is how I roll too. I got this feeling bro. Ortiz is gonna come out the gate blazing, like one of those championship bulls & Floyd will be overwhelmed by him. I just got that feeling. Kinda like what ward did to Kessler.

[Carpe Diem]

Floyd-Mosley and Ortiz-Berto fights are currently on On Demand if you're a Comcast subscriber. I've fight both fights two times each yesterday, and I don't think Floyd is going to have any problems bouncing backward when Ortiz lunging in.

[deejd]

The bold is how I roll too. I got this feeling bro. Ortiz is gonna come out the gate blazing, like one of those championship bulls & Floyd will be overwhelmed by him. I just got that feeling. Kinda like what ward did to Kessler.

I thought about that earlier this week; what if Ortiz just went for broke from the opening bell and gave all he had within the first three rounds?

The only thing about that is that I think we all underestimate Mayweather's punching power. No, he may not have that one punch power that can hurt a fighter or buckle them at the very least, but everybody (aside Augustus and Baldomir) has clearly been bothered when Mayweather lands.

[boxing2106]

I thought about that earlier this week; what if Ortiz just went for broke from the opening bell and gave all he had within the first three rounds?

The only thing about that is that I think we all underestimate Mayweather's punching power. No, he may not have that one punch power that can hurt a fighter or buckle them at the very least, but everybody (aside Augustus and Baldomir) has clearly been bothered when Mayweather lands.

there is a chance he will do that but its a dumb move cuz floyd will counter punch him at will !

[jkaisen41]

I noticed that he had his feet spread further than Shanes were. Which makes you less mobile. He didn't have the bounce & latteral movement that he should have. Also in round 1 of their fight he pulled straight back on a Mosley lounge in. Then Mosley stopped & they resumed fighting in the center of the ring. I've also noticed Floyd looked off balance in the begining of the Judah fight until Judah started to slow after round 4 (southpaw stance).

I pointed these things out because Ortiz in the Berto fight was making sure that he got off 1st & last. Even when he lounged in & Berto tried to move & when he thought he had created distance Ortiz was still firing away. I'm telling you guys again that Ortiz is gonna catch Floyd with something big. If he comes into this fight like how he did with Berto, jaws are going to be dropping all over the place.

IMO, this fight really isn't any different from the Berto fight for Ortiz. He was supposed to get beaten then, just like he is now. I know a lot of fans are gonna start saying that berto was overhyped anyway, which in a sense he was. But no one can sit there & say that Ortiz wasn't the heavy underdog, anyway. The difference of course being that Ortiz should be very confident in his ability this time & will be out to prove it.

Berto wasn't overrated - he just never learned to use his skill - the difference is and that Mayweather knows how to do it - Berto has fast hands but is nowhere near the footspeed of Mayweather - that's what puts guys like Mayweather and Pacquiao apart from the others...

Floyd knew how he could fight Mosley because he knew Mosley - he knew how to fight Judah because he knew Judah - he got hit yes - it happens especially against guys who punch STRAIGHT - Ortiz can punch straight but if he fights the way like against Berto he will use a lot of hooks and uppercuts that won't cut it... and by the way like I said even if he catches Mayweather with something big - Mayweather's chin is pretty alright - I don't think that Pacquiao/Ortiz/Khan/Williams and a lot of others would have taken the two right hands from Shane and would have been able to continue without basically no problem...

Another oberservation from my part - ppl say he was hurt against Corley - against Mosley - against Judah - did u ever notice that Floyd ain't never felt like that - I'm not talking about what he said but what he did in the ring - every guy who HURT him... he went even closer to them and took the fight to him - his legs felt it yeah - but his head was still clear - when a fighter gets hurt he usually moves away from an opponent - Cotto does it - even Margarito moved away from Mosley in the end as he was hurt, Gatti moved away if hurt etc. - and everyone else too - so Mayweather felt the shots but it only made him more determined and he came forward even more - that's not a sign of a fighter that is hurt to me folks - but everybody is entitled to his opinion.

He had a long layoff and he will feel the power of Ortiz at the beginning because he ain't used to getting hit anymore - but Ortiz couldn't finish off fighters like Berto, Campbell etc. so yes physically he is strong but he is not a one punch ko artist and I see no reason why Floyd's chin should be ranked low... I've seen Pacquiao hurt way more and often as Floyd and I never seen anyone question his chin...

[Bushbaby]

Berto wasn't overrated - he just never learned to use his skill - the difference is and that Mayweather knows how to do it - Berto has fast hands but is nowhere near the footspeed of Mayweather - that's what puts guys like Mayweather and Pacquiao apart from the others...

Floyd knew how he could fight Mosley because he knew Mosley - he knew how to fight Judah because he knew Judah - he got hit yes - it happens especially against guys who punch STRAIGHT - Ortiz can punch straight but if he fights the way like against Berto he will use a lot of hooks and uppercuts that won't cut it... and by the way like I said even if he catches Mayweather with something big - Mayweather's chin is pretty alright - I don't think that Pacquiao/Ortiz/Khan/Williams and a lot of others would have taken the two right hands from Shane and would have been able to continue without basically no problem...

Another oberservation from my part - ppl say he was hurt against Corley - against Mosley - against Judah - did u ever notice that Floyd ain't never felt like that - I'm not talking about what he said but what he did in the ring - every guy who HURT him... he went even closer to them and took the fight to him - his legs felt it yeah - but his head was still clear - when a fighter gets hurt he usually moves away from an opponent - Cotto does it - even Margarito moved away from Mosley in the end as he was hurt, Gatti moved away if hurt etc. - and everyone else too - so Mayweather felt the shots but it only made him more determined and he came forward even more - that's not a sign of a fighter that is hurt to me folks - but everybody is entitled to his opinion.

He had a long layoff and he will feel the power of Ortiz at the beginning because he ain't used to getting hit anymore - but Ortiz couldn't finish off fighters like Berto, Campbell etc. so yes physically he is strong but he is not a one punch ko artist and I see no reason why Floyd's chin should be ranked low... I've seen Pacquiao hurt way more and often as Floyd and I never seen anyone question his chin...

I'm not saying Floyd's chin is bad & I'm not questioning that. But the facts are Floyd hasn't been in a competitive fights since Hatton. Who was smaller & weaker than Floyd. Ortiz is bigger & we'll find out who's stronger. Floyd is 34 & coming off of another long layoff. Ortiz has much more left in the tank than Mosley & Marquez did, respectively. In my opinion, Ortiz has a greater chance of winning than Floyd's last 3-5 opponents combined. Anyway bookmark this tread, everyone, Floyd is in for a major fight.

[jkaisen41]

I'm not saying Floyd's chin is bad & I'm not questioning that. But the facts are Floyd hasn't been in a competitive fights since Hatton. Who was smaller & weaker than Floyd. Ortiz is bigger & we'll find out who's stronger. Floyd is 34 & coming off of another long layoff. Ortiz has much more left in the tank than Mosley & Marquez did, respectively. In my opinion, Ortiz has a greater chance of winning than Floyd's last 3-5 opponents combined. Anyway bookmark this tread, everyone, Floyd is in for a major fight.

Why was Hatton smaller and weaker - I don't get that till today - Hatton is a 140 pounder his whole life and walks around at I don't know 180 pounds??? *smile* Mayweather at the time was a small Welterweight - Mayweather became a real welterweight after his 2 year layoff - he couldn't even make 144 anymore for Marquez - before he was small - Hatton had won a title at 147 as well - ain't looked good but he never did against somebody with chin and some boxing skill... and I personally ain't never felt that Hatton had a chance - Floyd let him come and it was probably even after 6 rounds but after that Floyd broke him down - and it would have ended in 9-3 rounds which isn't so competive... nothing in the ring against Hatton happened without Floyd allowing it - just rewatch the tape - he knew what he was doing Bush - just rewatch it...

Of course Ortiz has a chance - everyone does if they want to - I agree - Marquez was really smaller - Mosley wanted too but he was mentally drained after 3 rounds - it wasn't because Mayweather threw 100 punches - the same will happen to Ortiz - if you fight a fighter like Mayweather who is so good defensively - it drains you mentally if you have no success and get hit with shots... I'm not hating on the fight by any means I just don't think that like I said Pacquiao or Mayweather can be beaten except by each other - but as long as they don't find each other it's fine if they fight a young, hungry fighter who actually comes and probably really believes that he can win the fight... I'm all for it - I just don't see that Ortiz can beat him - the first few rounds should be interesting... I mean we shouldn't forget even though it always goes out of the window - Floyd has heart - until now I ain't saw no one taking his heart... so still has it - he always, always trains hard and comes in shape - this is his life - he probably is a kid, dumb in many things - but boxing is his life and he won't screw himself in that dude - but I'm looking forward and I'm excited

[jrosales13]

Why was Hatton smaller and weaker - I don't get that till today - Hatton is a 140 pounder his whole life and walks around at I don't know 180 pounds??? *smile* Mayweather at the time was a small Welterweight - Mayweather became a real welterweight after his 2 year layoff - he couldn't even make 144 anymore for Marquez - before he was small - Hatton had won a title at 147 as well - ain't looked good but he never did against somebody with chin and some boxing skill... and I personally ain't never felt that Hatton had a chance - Floyd let him come and it was probably even after 6 rounds but after that Floyd broke him down - and it would have ended in 9-3 rounds which isn't so competive... nothing in the ring against Hatton happened without Floyd allowing it - just rewatch the tape - he knew what he was doing Bush - just rewatch it...

Of course Ortiz has a chance - everyone does if they want to - I agree - Marquez was really smaller - Mosley wanted too but he was mentally drained after 3 rounds - it wasn't because Mayweather threw 100 punches - the same will happen to Ortiz - if you fight a fighter like Mayweather who is so good defensively - it drains you mentally if you have no success and get hit with shots... I'm not hating on the fight by any means I just don't think that like I said Pacquiao or Mayweather can be beaten except by each other - but as long as they don't find each other it's fine if they fight a young, hungry fighter who actually comes and probably really believes that he can win the fight... I'm all for it - I just don't see that Ortiz can beat him - the first few rounds should be interesting... I mean we shouldn't forget even though it always goes out of the window - Floyd has heart - until now I ain't saw no one taking his heart... so still has it - he always, always trains hard and comes in shape - this is his life - he probably is a kid, dumb in many things - but boxing is his life and he won't screw himself in that dude - but I'm looking forward and I'm excited

Nice to see you back sir.