Many boxing fans will be surprised to see Ortiz be very competitive against Floyd.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah, for me it depends.

I mean, whatever the age, If I think the fighter has what it takes at that age to win, then I'll bet him.

I bet on Hopkins to beat Pascal recentyl for example and many many many other times.

It all depends really. History shows that.

And as for Saturday, I don't see it. I would be very very shocked if the fight was close.

Yeah but come on, listen to Pascal. You think Ortiz is bad? .

Nah, you're right lol.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree, that's why the Europeans are making a strong comeback in the sport, because they are fundimentally sound. Hands up, chin tucked, working behind the jab. They may not have the athlethicism, but they make up for it with sound fundimentals.

Same as NBA basketball. SKills, footwork, balance, feints (headfakes). Ask Paul Williams. If dude could learn to keep his left hand up we might have seen one of the greates ever. But he is sloppy with his technique so he is where he is.

[Bushbaby]

Same as NBA basketball. SKills, footwork, balance, feints (headfakes). Ask Paul Williams. If dude could learn to keep his left hand up we might have seen one of the greates ever. But he is sloppy with his technique so he is where he is.

Dunn, what's up? Are you mad because I said Ortiz will be competitive with Floyd? Why are you bringing up the Punisher?

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah but come on, listen to Pascal. You think Ortiz is bad? .

Nah, you're right lol.

I've got to tell you, the whole 'TAKE DE TEST, BURNARD' is seriously one of my favourite moments of the new era

[bojangles1987]

Is that really the only argument for Ortiz? He's big, strong, and younger? What about the fact he has no way of actually delivering that power or making that size matter in any way that matters?

[The Big Dunn]

Dunn, what's up? Are you mad because I said Ortiz will be competitive with Floyd? Why are you bringing up the Punisher?

To illustrate the point about skills thats all. If he had better skill, ie kept his hands up, he'd be a much better fighter instead of at a crossroads.

[IMDAZED]

I've got to tell you, the whole 'TAKE DE TEST, BURNARD' is seriously one of my favourite moments of the new era

I can still see him standing up, with his hands in the air talking about, "Why won't he take deee test? Dee fanz wanna know!!" You could tell Bernard just wanted to slap the ever-lovin **** out of him

[illstillz]

UMMMMMMM, maybe becuase he has 2 times as many fights as hopkins lol......

[IronDanHamza]

I can still see him standing up, with his hands in the air talking about, "Why won't he take deee test? Dee fanz wanna know!!" You could tell Bernard just wanted to slap the ever-lovin **** out of him

"For de FANS!"

I really laughed at that, man.

You could almost see the steam coming off Bernard he looked so mad

[Bushbaby]

Is that really the only argument for Ortiz? He's big, strong, and younger? What about the fact he has no way of actually delivering that power or making that size matter in any way that matters?

No that's not the only argument homey. Tell me this, who in the last 4 years has Floyd beaten that's better than Ortiz is now. When you do, take into consideration the the age of that fighter & the weightclass. After that add to it that Floyd hasn't even had more than 3 fights in the last 4 years. Then talk about Ortiz being big, strong with comparable speed. No way of actually delivering the power is simply ****** talk,(no disrespect). But Floyd is not going to go 12 rounds against a young, big, strong, fast fighter without feeling Ortiz's power. He 34 & coming off of another long layoff. Bookmark this tread Jangles & remember I told you so.