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  • Grinderman
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    #61
    Originally posted by StopBlocking
    Klitschko fans = robots
    Klitschko haters = robozombies

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    • StopBlocking
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      #62
      Originally posted by Grinderman
      Klitschko haters = robozombies
      I don't hate either one.

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      • Dave Rado
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        #63
        Originally posted by joe strong
        in all his fights adamek will be the 3rd best guy hes faced...
        Adamek wouldn't have beaten Arreola if it hadn't been for the hand injury.

        And aside from Arreola, Adamek hasn't faced a single Heavyweight who could be classed above bum status. And he struggled even against some of those bums.

        He is ridiculously over-rated, as a result purely of what he did at Cruiserweight, and I'd be astonished if he wins more than a round against Vitali.

        Sanders was far better than Adamek, Peter was better than Adamek, even Hyde was better than Adamek.

        It's true that Vitali's résumé is very thin but he can't help the era he was born into, and nor could he help his long absence through injury. All he can do is fight highly ranked opponents, which for the most part he has done, and to be as dominant against them as possible, which he has been to an extent that few greats from the past have ever been. And don't pretend that the greats of the past didn't fight their share of very poor opponents - they fought plenty, and were not as dominant against them as Vitali has been.

        And how many Hall of Famers did Larry Holmes beat again? A totally shot Ali was the only one. Admittedly some of Homes' other opponents were better than anyone Vitali has beaten, but they were not Hall of Famers, so the persistent cliché that you have to beat a Hall of Famer in order to be considered great is simply not true. (Holmes should get no credit for the win over that version of Ali.)

        It's true that ATG status is determined to a large extent by résumé, and for that reason, Vitali is unlikely to achieve it; but prime for prime he would certainly have given any Heavyweight in history a torrid time.

        And today's version of Vitali is a lot better (despite being slightly slower) than the version who lost to Lewis. His ring generalship and command of distance and space has improved dramatically since then. Boxing prime is not the same thing as physical prime and Vitali only hit his boxing prime around the time of the Arreola fight.
        Last edited by Dave Rado; 09-08-2011, 10:35 PM.

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        • Dave Rado
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          #64
          Originally posted by jimmy1569
          His brother has the better resume but most everyone thinks Vitali is the better fighter & would beat his brother in a fight..
          Vitali is the better fighter but Wlad is the better boxer. Wlad also has far more one-punch power. It would be a pick 'em fight but I would favour Wlad to win.

          The point about résumé is that everything else is speculation.
          Last edited by Dave Rado; 09-08-2011, 10:31 PM.

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          • jimmy1569
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            #65
            Originally posted by Dave Rado
            Vitali is the better fighter but Wlad is the better boxer. Wlad also has far more one-punch power. It would be a pick 'em fight but I would favour Wlad to win.

            The point about résumé is that everything else is speculation.
            While your previous post was a pretty good read & Klitschko hater friendly.... this post & Wlad vs Vitali is anything but a pick-em fight. More one punch power won't serve him well when Vitali is the one who's not afraid to let his hands go & can far better handle power punches better than his brother.. He's also bigger than him.. tougher & what about the intimidation factor... you better believe Wlad would be intimidated by the much more agrressive Vitali... he definitely got a few ass'ssss whippings from the bigger bro & knows where his place... trust me those 2 extra belts he got mean nothing when it comes to going up against the bigger bro & Vitali can put Wlad to sleep with one shot... can Wlad say the same?

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            • jimmy1569
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              #66
              & for those of you sleeping on Vitali's one punch power... there's no coincidence once he had the shoulder operation after the Byrd fight.. he rarely commits fully with his right hand.. before the Byrd & his first 27 opponents getting ko'ed.. his one punch power was on par with Wlad's.. he used to pulverize opponents with the right hand. He's gotten back to that as his last 2 stoppages have come with the right hand & put his opponents away. & anyone doubting his true power should watch those workout tapes when hitting the heavy bag. He hits opponents consistently with 75% of his power.. shot after shot after shot.. only when he's abolut to put you away does he add a little bit extra on his shots.


              He gets all those ko's because of the fact he's constantly hitting you with those hard shots throughout a fight INSTEAD OF SWINGing for the fences.. this way of boxing ensures him of the stoppage & is smart boxing.. anyone doubting his power should take alook at his last 4 fights Areolla sosnoqwski Briggs & solis... areolla was forced to submit after 10 rds.. sosnowski was blasted out when Vitali got pised so was Carlos Gomez. briggs nearly collapsed after the fight & at the end of several of the last rds & Solis got hit with a perfect shot that set off a dynamo & chain of events that knocked him out..


              in fact the Solis & Briggs fight should've been perfect proof that his power was still intact but somehow the haters managed to twist it in there favor..claiming where's Vitali's power,, he couldn't put away Briggs.. if you were watching that fight.. he had warranted a stoppage at least 3 or 4 different times in the bout but didn't get the ruling & with Solis.. the shot seemed so soft by Vitali.. the haters questioned the validity of the shot.. ever stop & think it's a testemant to Vitali's power that a half thrown uppercut can completely jolt a fighter's equilibrium.. afterall didn't Lennox shot from in close cause Vitali's cut.. it's the way the punch landed & how it was thrown that decides the impact & how close your opponent is to you.. so what may seem like a pitty pat love tap... is actually a knockout shot to the temple..

              SOLIS WAS OFF BALANCE WHEN the shot landed & that's why the shot did so much damage.. he wasn't on stable ground when he got hit & therfore couldn't brace himself.. his body. his legs from absorbing the shot.. the punch set off everything.. not to mention VITALI'S defense that put SOLIS in such a compromising position..

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              • Joeyzagz
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                #67
                Originally posted by Medved
                That was a FLUKE cut, Lewis was getting his ass beat, he was bood out of the Arena, Vitali wanted to fight.
                You think its a fluke that Vitali loses to the two best fighters he ever faced?

                I dont see a fluke, I see a pattern of him not beating a single opponent above class B.

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                • JAB5239
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Joeyzagz
                  You think its a fluke that Vitali loses to the two best fighters he ever faced?

                  I dont see a fluke, I see a pattern of him not beating a single opponent above class B.

                  Good luck with that. The Klits are the greatest and two most dominant heavies ever. Who cares about the comp, just ignore that.

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                  • Vadrigar.
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by jimmy1569
                    In Vitali Klitschko you NOT only have the fighter with the highest knockout ratio for fighters over 200 lbs & higher... you ALSO have the fighter with the highest scorecard discrepancy in the history of boxing.. the guy has NOT lost more than an equivalent of a full fight... that's 12 rds in 209 rds fought.. he wins on the scorecards about 95% of the time & these are NOT close rds & you have the best of both worlds as he stops you nearly 90% of the time he steps into the ring.. add to that he's never lost more than 2 rds in a single bout.. yet some people are predicting An Adamek hometown decision... he's never trailed in a fight past the first rd.. he's never been knocked down..

                    Add to that he has the highest offensive to defensive ratio in heavyweight history (landed punches on his opponent vs landed punches on him).. only fighter in boxing history to outland & outthrow his opponent FOR EVERY SINGLE BOUT (THIS INCLUDES POWER PUNCHES & JABS AS WELL) & you're talking about the statistically most dominant fighter in boxing history with the highest BER (Boxer Efficiency Rating) IN BOXING'S long ILLUSTRIOUS existence.. add to that ONLY heavyweight to knockout every single one of his first 27 opponents & both losses due to injuries while winning 12 of the 15 rds fought & you have an idea of what his oppoent is facing 6 ft 8 250 lb of lean & mean destruction...

                    All this overwhelming EVIDENCE & the boxing world refuses to give him his props making up EVERY EXCUSE IN THE BOOK from his size advantages to his opponents being of non quality caliber despite overwhelming evidence that it's him that is making every single opponent he's ever faced inept & it's him that has ONLY done that type of damage to the opponents he's faced for the majority of his opposition. Vitali Klitschko is by far the most dominant fighter to ever put on a gloves on par with Wilt's Chamberlain's statistical dominance in the NBA.


                    Think about it.. he's the ONLY fighter in boxing history to outbox & outslug EVERY OPPONENT he's ever faced.. That's 44 different fighters (no one's ever asked for a second helping)... that's 44 different names... now if we were to believe the logic from all fans & haters alike.. that it's his opponents that make Vitali Klitschko dominant & that it's not so much Vitali's dominance over them.... wouldn't one single fighter have come through & broke the mold of being outboxed..... what we're led to believe & what haters all over the world are actually saying for there argument to be accurate is that ALL 44 OPPONENTS HE'S EVER FACED WERE OF POOR QUALITY.

                    Despite Vitali being one of 4 heavyweights to win a title on 3 separate occasions. Despite Vitali HAVING every conceivable advantage over any former great before him in terms of size.. strength & fighting skills whick includes being the ONLY kickboxing champion in heavyweight boxing history....

                    YOu all are full of crap & you know it... you just don't want to give it up to him because of where he comes from & the fact he's taller & bigger than most every other fighter out there.. Did Shaq & Wilt get penalized like this in the NBA.... i'm calling bias on all you haters.. deep down you ALL KNOW i'm right>>>> Vitali Klitschko is just that good & you ALL know it.. so keep the excuses coming.. i see right through all of it.

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                    • Wesker115
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                      #70
                      "The most dominant ever"

                      I hate this phrase

                      I suppose Vitali was "dominating" Solis until the man's leg's went and I suppose Wlad "dominated" Haye for 12 rounds--when in reality both men were too scared to actually engage each other.

                      Vitali is a beast though, I'd like to think Adamek can pose some kind of threat, but just can' see it happening
                      Last edited by Wesker115; 09-09-2011, 06:00 AM. Reason: spelling

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