Comments Thread For: Mayweather: I Beat Them, Pacquiao Takes My Leftovers

[Brother Jay]

For the most part, Floyd Mayweather Jr. spoke softly and respectfully about his opponent Victor Ortiz during a conference call on Wednesday. But Mayweather’s comments turned toxic when the subject turned to potential foe Manny Pacquiao and his reign atop the sport. In a withering assessment of Pacquiao’s opposition in recent years, Mayweather described his choice of opponents as his own “leftovers,” a reference to Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley and Oscar De La Hoya, whom Mayweather faced and beat before Pacquiao had the chance to do the same. Continually referring to himself in the third person, Mayweather didn’t hold back in demeaning Pacquiao’s choice of opponents.
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What makes it so bad is that even the guys that Mayweather didn't fight were ranked 5th by the time Pacquiao fought them.

Why is Pacquiao talking as if he's beaten top opposition?

I remember the boxing world giving Roy Jones lots of **** because the HW champion that he wound of facing was John Ruiz despite him trying to face Lewis.

Now, if Jones gets **** for facing a legitimate HW champion who outweighed him by more than 20lbs, what should Pacquiao get for beating 5th ranked guys who outweighed him by no more than 5 or 6lbs?

This is how boxing fails its fans.

The sports media machine can decide who THEY want to back, but only true champions of the sport will be remembered for reigning and doing extraordinary things.

Using catchweights in divisions where you can make the limit is NOT extraordinary.

Using rehydration stipulations is NOT extraordinary. DLH@145lbs? LOL!

Refusing PED testing is NOT extraordinary.

Competing for FIVE .. count them .. FIVE vacant titles instead of defeating champions for championships is NOT extraordinary.

If Pacquiao feels that he's done something extraordinary, please tell him to let us know what it was. Its ashamed to watch a boxer who has the ability to put on great performances settle for such a shabby legacy.

Arum wanted money, not a legacy. So, Arum has put Pacquiao in positions where Pacquiao wins against the guy in front of him, but the guys he's beaten at the times he beaten them held little to no glory.

Its Arum's fault for hyping those matches up by completely relying on the "David vs Goliath" dynamic, but that dynamic is meaningless because Pacquiao has only ever beaten someone who weighed about 7lbs heavier than himself. Floyd beat DLH on fight night when DLH easily outweighed Floyd by 20+lbs. Roy beat Ruiz when Ruiz easily outweighed him by 20+lbs. And both men were ranked better than 5th when those men fought them.

Some casual fans, specifically *******s, cling to Arum's hype to Pacquiao's own detriment, or at least to the detriment of Pacquiao's true legacy. Its fun to play "Whose the top boxer" right now, but when historians begin picking apart Manny Pacquiao, *******s aren't going to like it.

No matter what you think or how strongly you feel about Pacquiao, his accomplishments aren't going to be better than they really are. His career really began after 40 fights of padding. He competed for vacant titles throughout his career to define himself. He used catchweights in a division where he could have made the limit. He sought out 5th ranked fighters as the best competition he could secure.

If Pac's fans demanded more of him, he would have had a much better career.

One thing I can say about Mayweather fans is that we've been very vocal about Floyd stepping up to bigger and better challenges.

Floyd listened and kept fighting the #1 and #2 in each division.

Pacquiao fan's stayed silent and happy and allowed him to let Arum ruin his legacy.

Time will show everyone.

Today's perception of boxing belongs to boxing writers.

Boxing immortality belongs to the historians. As it is many historians don't buy into the hype that today's writers are heaping upon Pacquiao's shoulders. Its sad, but Pacquiao and his fans don't realize that Arum is about money, not his fighter's best interests.

No one will blame Arum however. Pacquiao is his own man. Manny ultimately made the decisions that led him to miss out on a great legacy and a lose most of his own money. People won't forget that. People won't forget what Marquez did to him in the first two fights. People won't forget that he fought Margarito when Margarito was STILL BANNED. People won't forget that he avoided the PED tests for 3 years.

There's a bigger picture here people, and *******s have completely missed it.

[Fighting Pride]

What makes it so bad is that even the guys that Mayweather didn't fight were ranked 5th by the time Pacquiao fought them.

Why is Pacquiao talking as if he's beaten top opposition?

I remember the boxing world giving Roy Jones lots of **** because the HW champion that he wound of facing was John Ruiz despite him trying to face Lewis.

Now, if Jones gets **** for facing a legitimate HW champion who outweighed him by more than 20lbs, what should Pacquiao get for beating 5th ranked guys who outweighed him by no more than 5 or 6lbs?

This is how boxing fails its fans.

The sports media machine can decide who THEY want to back, but only true champions of the sport will be remembered for reigning and doing extraordinary things.

Using catchweights in divisions where you can make the limit is NOT extraordinary.

Using rehydration stipulations is NOT extraordinary. DLH@145lbs? LOL!

Refusing PED testing is NOT extraordinary.

Competing for FIVE .. count them .. FIVE vacant titles instead of defeating champions for championships is NOT extraordinary.

If Pacquiao feels that he's done something extraordinary, please tell him to let us know what it was. Its ashamed to watch a boxer who has the ability to put on great performances settle for such a shabby legacy.

Arum wanted money, not a legacy. So, Arum has put Pacquiao in positions where Pacquiao wins against the guy in front of him, but the guys he's beaten at the times he beaten them held little to no glory.

Its Arum's fault for hyping those matches up by completely relying on the "David vs Goliath" dynamic, but that dynamic is meaningless because Pacquiao has only ever beaten someone who weighed about 7lbs heavier than himself. Floyd beat DLH on fight night when DLH easily outweighed Floyd by 20+lbs. Roy beat Ruiz when Ruiz easily outweighed him by 20+lbs. And both men were ranked better than 5th when those men fought them.

Some casual fans, specifically *******s, cling to Arum's hype to Pacquiao's own detriment, or at least to the detriment of Pacquiao's true legacy. Its fun to play "Whose the top boxer" right now, but when historians begin picking apart Manny Pacquiao, *******s aren't going to like it.

No matter what you think or how strongly you feel about Pacquiao, his accomplishments aren't going to be better than they really are. His career really began after 40 fights of padding. He competed for vacant titles throughout his career to define himself. He used catchweights in a division where he could have made the limit. He sought out 5th ranked fighters as the best competition he could secure.

If Pac's fans demanded more of him, he would have had a much better career.

One thing I can say about Mayweather fans is that we've been very vocal about Floyd stepping up to bigger and better challenges.

Floyd listened and kept fighting the #1 and #2 in each division.

Pacquiao fan's stayed silent and happy and allowed him to let Arum ruin his legacy.

Time will show everyone.

Today's perception of boxing belongs to boxing writers.

Boxing immortality belongs to the historians. As it is many historians don't buy into the hype that today's writers are heaping upon Pacquiao's shoulders. Its sad, but Pacquiao and his fans don't realize that Arum is about money, not his fighter's best interests.

No one will blame Arum however. Pacquiao is his own man. Manny ultimately made the decisions that led him to miss out on a great legacy and a lose most of his own money. People won't forget that. People won't forget what Marquez did to him in the first two fights. People won't forget that he fought Margarito when Margarito was STILL BANNED. People won't forget that he avoided the PED tests for 3 years.

There's a bigger picture here people, and *******s have completely missed it.

lol, just like your hero, blabbering on and on with lies and bull**** trying to degrade the legacy and accomplishments of the great man Manny Pacquiao.

Rehydration clause? Really? You mean like the one Mayweather did try to impose on Winky Wright, not wanting him to weigh more than 160 on fight night? Mayweather is the only boxer I know who tried that, not Pac. You're confused.

Like you said though, boxing historians are the ones who ultimately decide and judge legacies, and legacies are decided by what a fighter did in the ring, and not on mythical victories, baseless boasts, lame cacthphrases and spineless slander campaigns.

[LeadUppercut]

frauds left overs? huh?
hey fraud, u were in the welterweight for years before pac even fought as a welterweight...and other than the welterweight fights that pac had, he fought hatton at hattons regular weight vs hatton needing to move up to fight at frauds best weight.

aside for the so called left overs, which are a joke to begin with...
pac fought two of the TOP 5 welterweights in his first two welterweight fights, discounting the delahoya fight since that was a joke of a fight to begin with, as with the marquez vs fraud matchup...and not only that, pac fought two guys that fraud ducked --> cotto and margarito ;O)

if fraud wants to talk about left overs...the guys that he beat were just as much as a leftover for him...such a ghe//o rac/st who/re this fraud is

You mug.

Hatton was a cracked egg, made to order, and ripe for the picking.

That was the very easiest way for Pac to cherry-pick a title that he had no intention of defending.

[Marcov]

Margarito, Cotto and Clottey were three fighters Mayweather refused to fight, so at least Pacquiao has courage. I think it's funny Mayweather has the courage to talk about Pacman but not fight him.

[LeadUppercut]

lol, just like your hero, blabbering on and on with lies and bull**** trying to degrade the legacy and accomplishments of the great man Manny Pacquiao.

Rehydration clause? Really? You mean like the one Mayweather did try to impose on Winky Wright, not wanting him to weigh more than 160 on fight night? Mayweather is the only boxer I know who tried that, not Pac. You're confused.

Like you said though, boxing historians are the ones who ultimately decide and judge legacies, and legacies are decided by what a fighter did in the ring, and not on mythical victories, baseless boasts, lame cacthphrases and spineless slander campaigns.

You wouldnt know a good fighter if he punched you in the face.

Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

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Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the fuk didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

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[Ryannn]

yes, he fights your leftovers and fighters you have ducked.

pac's fighting everybody

[Ryannn]

didn't read the whole thread, but i imagine it filled with floyd's children saying what floyd said was right.

[Ryannn]

Leaduppercunt: "Everybody who knows finance knows that not paying your tax on time is the smart way"



dude has become a troll since he got his ass handed to him in that finance thread

[Jack Napier]

Floyd doesn't beat people bad enough for them to be leftovers
dude is seething over getting usurped on Oscar and Hatton
screw Pac-Mosley though, stupid fight

[Brother Jay]

You wouldnt know a good fighter if he punched you in the face.

Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

=========================

Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the fuk didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

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My man, Uppercut. You kicked the dog before I had a chance to. Beautiful.

And your sig is now officially the best on the site.