What if Ali hadn't had the 3 1/2 year layoff???

[kiDynamite92]

Shouldve shipped his ass to nam instead of wasting tax payer money in a prison. Maybe he wouldve became a man instead of a racist. I guess history changes everything and people forget who Muhammed Ali really was, a racist who hated whitey's and everything about the government who decided he didnt like the countries rules and would follow only the ones he liked.

fcuk off. He lived in a country where he was refussed to served food because his colour. His ppl were dicrimated against a treated unfairly, his ancestors were whipped and used as ****** for the scum white sepremacist society of that time. He has every right have racial views of that sort.

[kiDynamite92]

wow some ppl are really really ****** comparing Ali and Vitali. Yeah Vitali could have fought longer because of his style, he dosn't rely on blistering pace and amzing movement which are things that fade with age. He use's his work-rate and chin to win matches. Look at Foreman, his power unreal something that dosen't go with age when ur 45.

[americanbot]

That's just not true. Generally, they liked Clay and hated Ali, is more to the point. Liston was seen as a thug. Clay was funny and made faces and clowned and was seen at the time as less threatening. He was good for business -- Liston was bad for business.

thats a lie............everyone hated ali here......liston was hated ONLY before ali appeared. when ali came along the people jumped on listons back as the good guy. ali was deemed too ****y & much too loud. you're a ret@rd trolling up lies...........

[Mr. Fantastic]

Shouldve shipped his ass to nam instead of wasting tax payer money in a prison. Maybe he wouldve became a man instead of a racist. I guess history changes everything and people forget who Muhammed Ali really was, a racist who hated whitey's and everything about the government who decided he didnt like the countries rules and would follow only the ones he liked.

Great post! I agree. Dude is a legend in the ring but to me a coward in real life.

[-KPB-]

Great post! I agree. Dude is a legend in the ring but to me a coward in real life.

What do you mean real life...boxing isnt real life.......

So anyone who doesnt go war is a coward.......

[Mr. Fantastic]

What do you mean real life...boxing isnt real life.......

So anyone who doesnt go war is a coward.......

Don't you get as a person idiot?

Of course they are if they don't have a good reason. If he was missing an arm or was the only man to look out for his son who's mom is missing, then I can understand. But dude was a coward for ducking the draft. Just cause you fucking like him you're trying to justify that shit. I like him too as a boxer but fuck him as a person. Like a poster said, people complained and *****ed but they still went and served the place where they lived. They toughed it out.

[-KPB-]

Don't you get as a person idiot?

Of course they are if they don't have a good reason. If he was missing an arm or was the only man to look out for his son who's mom is missing, then I can understand. But dude was a coward for ducking the draft. Just cause you fucking like him you're trying to justify that shit. I like him too as a boxer but fuck him as a person. Like a poster said, people complained and *****ed but they still went and served the place where they lived. They toughed it out.

So just because they "toughed it out", it means it was ok to go to war....Thats some b1tchmade theory......

........Coincidently, the place where they lived was a hellhole that didnt give 2 ****s about them......

[big_james10]

What do you think his career would have ended up like??? Would he have ever been beaten??? Would he have lost to Joe Frazier at all??? Would his skills have fallen as fast as they did in the mid-1970's??? How long do you think his prime would have actually lasted???

I really would like to hear all answers. Ali's prime is almost universally looked at as 1964-1967, than he had the layoff/exile. I am pretty sure no one thinks Ali was still prime when he returned in 1970 and 1971. His speed had slown greatly, and he had lost a great deal of his stamina. He gained a bit of punching power arguably, but his reflexes dropped significantly and he was forced to take on much more punishment. He also couldn't throw as many lengthy and effective combinations. If Ali was forced into the layoff/exile, he and Frazier would most likely have met in 1969. Ali would have been 27, in his peak physically, and Frazier would be in his peak too. Ali would not have lost his speed and reflexes, simply because he would have continued fighting during those three and a half years. It's an interesting thing to think about.

Watch Ali-Quarry 1, and you can tell the vast difference in Ali in 1970 as opposed to 1967. Don't get me wrong, Ali was still a great fighter post-layoff, but not in his prime anymore. I'd say between 1970-1972, Ali was past his prime but still great. Than, I'd say between 1973-1975, Ali was past his prime but still really good. Between 1976-1977, Ali was way past his prime, but still able to fight and be a decent boxer. After that, he was so far gone it was truly sad. I don't think his skills would have fallen as fast they did if he hadn't missed 3 1/2 years. He could have arguably been in his prime until 1971 or even 1972. He could have been a really good and great fighter until 1977 or maybe even 1978. He wouldn't have taken as much punishment as he did after the layoff, because he would have had his speed and reflexes for more years.

Finally, I can't see Joe Frazier beating a prime Ali. Coming off 3 1/2 years of no boxing, and two so-so warm up fights, Ali still had him 6-6-1 going into the final rounds. Watch round 1 in the Fight of the Century, and I think thats the closest to what Ali-Frazier in 1969 would have been like. Ali by UD.

What do you think Ali's career would have been like if he didn't have to take the 3 1/2 year layoff???

If Ali had not taken 3.5 years off, George Foreman would have never become Heavyweight Champion and we wouldn't have had to tolerate that ignorant, irritating MotherF.....ker for 12 years on HBO Championship Boxing.

[Mr. Fantastic]

So just because they "toughed it out", it means it was ok to go to war....Thats some b1tchmade theory......

........Coincidently, the place where they lived was a hellhole that didnt give 2 ****s about them......

But yet it's ok for him to live here? Umm ok twat.

Ali - legend in boxing
Ali - a mf coward in life.

Deal with it. Draft is a draft.

[big_james10]

Don't you get as a person idiot?

Of course they are if they don't have a good reason. If he was missing an arm or was the only man to look out for his son who's mom is missing, then I can understand. But dude was a coward for ducking the draft. Just cause you fucking like him you're trying to justify that shit. I like him too as a boxer but fuck him as a person. Like a poster said, people complained and *****ed but they still went and served the place where they lived. They toughed it out.

His good reason was that he did not want to fight for a country that treated him and everyone in his race worse than they treated farm animals. He couldn't eat in their restaurants, couldn't drink out of their water fountains, either couldn't or was stymied from voting, couldn't legitimately run for public office and couldn't walk down a downtown street without being called boy or nig*er;and if he stood up for himself, he would be arrested and get the s**t beaten out of him while in jail by the police. Then he would be convicted on some trumped up charge by a jury of his peers, all of whom would be white, and would end up in prison because he stood up to a white man who was harrassing him.

But, yet, they wanted him to risk his life in Vietnam for his countrywhen they were fighting what he considered an unjust war. I agree with Ali. I wouldn't have honored the draft notice either.