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[Bushbaby]

No I don't presume you mean punching power.

I said he's not overly strong, because he's not.

It doesn't matter what you're referring to, you're saying that all these young strong fighters would have a chance against Mayweather or Pac and put Jan Zaveck in that catergory in which he does not fit that description.

Zaveck isn't weak, but he certainly isn't strong.

And let's face it, Zaveck's a good guy and I like him but he is in his mid 30's and has done nothing in his career. And pretty much beaten no one of note.

And claiming he has a chance against Mayweather or Pac is frankly a ****** ideology. In reality he stands no chance what so ever.

And on top of that he doesn't fit the ' young, strong' catergory you're putting so much emphasis on either.

You should stop critisizing Pac and Mayweather's opponent choice for a while and stop talking about average fighters that could beat them and put all that energy into Sergio Martinez' choice of opponet which happens to be worse than Mayweather and Pacquaio's last 5 fights combined.

****** ideology is saying that no one can **** with Pac & Floyd, that's ******. Especially if you are acknowledging that they have been matched softly in the last few years. Put the energy into Martinez fighting a 29 year old undefeated fighter in has weight class, after his tedious scedule of tough opponents? Compaired to Margarito, Mosley & Marquez at welterweight, get serious.

[IronDanHamza]

****** ideology is saying that no one can **** with Pac & Floyd, that's ******. Especially if you are acknowledging that they have been matched softly in the last few years.

I'm not saying no one can beat them or has no chance of beating them. But, saying Jan Zaveck has a chance of beating them is immensely reaching.

And I never said Mayweather has been matched softly. As far as I'm concerned Mayweather's last fight was against the #1 Ranked WW and #3 P4P fighter. To me, that's not matched softly.

Put the energy into Martinez fighting a 29 year old undefeated fighter in has weight class, after his tedious scedule of tough opponents? Compaired to Margarito, Mosley & Marquez at welterweight, get serious.

You see, this is where you lose me.

You critisize Mayweather and Pacquaio for cherry picking fighters like Marquez and Margarito (understandabley) yet, you are asbolutely fine with Sergio Martinez fighting DARREN BARKER.

I don't know how you can actuallly defend Sergio Martinez fighting Darren Barker with a straight face. Seriously.

This is possibly the biggest cherrypick I have witnessed in many many years.

Darren Barker has never fought above European level, hell, he has only fought above British level a handful of times.

He has had a single fight since his year lay off ue to injury (what do you know, it was at Euro level) he has done absolutely nothing in his career and is not even in the Top 20-25 at Middleweight currently.

Yet, you somehow support this fight and **** on all of Pac and Mayweather's fights? I'm sorry but this is an asbolute double standard if I ever saw one.

Fighting Darren Barker is way worse and less legit than even fighting the versions of Margarito and Mosley that Pac fought. Way worse.

If you're so against the Top fighters doing blatent cherry picks then you should be immediatly ****ting on that fight. But strangely, you're not.

[Bushbaby]

I'm not saying no one can beat them or has no chance of beating them. But, saying Jan Zaveck has a chance of beating them is immensely reaching.

And I never said Mayweather has been matched softly. As far as I'm concerned Mayweather's last fight was against the #1 Ranked WW and #3 P4P fighter. To me, that's not matched softly.


I agree 100% that fighting Mosley was 100% legit. Mosley was the welterweight to beat. It's not Floyd's fault in the slightest that he was done. Numbers wise the fight was 1st rate. It wasn't competitive outside of the 2 right hands that Mosley landed in round 2 though. I really don't think it far fetched to believe that berto,Jones or even Zaveck would have put up a better fight than Mosley did, I really don't.




You see, this is where you lose me.

You critisize Mayweather and Pacquaio for cherry picking fighters like Marquez and Margarito (understandabley) yet, you are asbolutely fine with Sergio Martinez fighting DARREN BARKER.

I don't know how you can actuallly defend Sergio Martinez fighting Darren Barker with a straight face. Seriously.

This is possibly the biggest cherrypick I have witnessed in many many years.

Darren Barker has never fought above European level, hell, he has only fought above British level a handful of times.

He has had a single fight since his year lay off ue to injury (what do you know, it was at Euro level) he has done absolutely nothing in his career and is not even in the Top 20-25 at Middleweight currently.

Yet, you somehow support this fight and **** on all of Pac and Mayweather's fights? I'm sorry but this is an asbolute double standard if I ever saw one.

Fighting Darren Barker is way worse and less legit than even fighting the versions of Margarito and Mosley that Pac fought. Way worse.

If you're so against the Top fighters doing blatent cherry picks then you should be immediatly ****ting on that fight. But strangely, you're not.

Now if you can fight anywhere where i've said I've supported that fight, I will consede defeat. Here is what I said, compaired to Pacman's & Floyds last few years of easy matches, I find it redundant to criticize Martinez for fighting a 29 year old undefeated fighter in his weight class. But that does not mean I support the fight, now does it? Honestly, I think the fight is pretty lame. But in case you haven't noticed, Martinez is already recieving enough criticism for it, because it's a lame fight. But to add insult to injury, he's Chavez jr's manditory, but to no surprise, arum wiggled his way out of that. For iron dan to say that Bushbaby supports the fight is simply untrue. I support Martinez who's in a lame fight the very next time out. But i do not find that fight to be worse than years of overmatched fighters getting spamnked by Pacman or Floyd.

[jjbj2]

I actually like Andre Berto vs Mike Jones. However, I don't see this happening since they are both Americans and it won't do Berto any good to fight Jones to build on his momentum to become a legitimate boxing star.

Top Rank should really send Mike Jones to fight that other European champion named Senchenko. They should really match that up. Mike Jones vs Manny Pacquiao would become even larger since both are champions and a unification match. If Mike Jones gets pass by Senchenko. Just my two cents.

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[IronDanHamza]

Now if you can fight anywhere where i've said I've supported that fight, I will consede defeat. Here is what I said, compaired to Pacman's & Floyds last few years of easy matches, I find it redundant to criticize Martinez for fighting a 29 year old undefeated fighter in his weight class. But that does not mean I support the fight, now does it? Honestly, I think the fight is pretty lame. But in case you haven't noticed, Martinez is already recieving enough criticism for it, because it's a lame fight. But to add insult to injury, he's Chavez jr's manditory, but to no surprise, arum wiggled his way out of that. For iron dan to say that Bushbaby supports the fight is simply untrue. I support Martinez who's in a lame fight the very next time out. But i do not find that fight to be worse than years of overmatched fighters getting spamnked by Pacman or Floyd.

But, you keep saying '29 and undefeated' as if that actually means something.

Darren Barker is undefeated solely because he literally hasn't fought ANYONE. He has only fought above domestic level like 2 or 3 times.

You don't support it but you are hardly critisizing it at all. As opposed to Pac and Mayweather who you completely slate at every given moment. But at the same time don't say nothing about Martinez who is being worse with his next fight.

How is Darren Barker better than Margarito for example? Or even Mosley.

Atleast those 2 have actually fought at World Level in the past 2 years they fought Pac. Barker has NEVER fought at World Level. Like I said, he's only fought about Domestic level 2 or 3 times. THAT is an absolute joke of an opponent.

Like I said, if you're so against Top P4P fighters cherry picking fights then you should put alot more energy into Sergio Martinez' pathetic and undefnedable cherry pick in fighting Darren Barker.

[jjbj2]

But, you keep saying '29 and undefeated' as if that actually means something.

Darren Barker is undefeated solely because he literally hasn't fought ANYONE. He has only fought above domestic level like 2 or 3 times.

You don't support it but you are hardly critisizing it at all. As opposed to Pac and Mayweather who you completely slate at every given moment. But at the same time don't say nothing about Martinez who is being worse with his next fight.

How is Darren Barker better than Margarito for example? Or even Mosley.

Atleast those 2 have actually fought at World Level in the past 2 years they fought Pac. Barker has NEVER fought at World Level. Like I said, he's only fought about Domestic level 2 or 3 times. THAT is an absolute joke of an opponent.

Like I said, if you're so against Top P4P fighters cherry picking fights then you should put alot more energy into Sergio Martinez' pathetic and undefnedable cherry pick in fighting Darren Barker.

I agree with you man. BUSHBABY just hate on Pacquiao and Mayweather equally. Maybe that is his angle? Anyway, concerning Darren Barker - he is only a UK fighter with little European exposure and experience. He isn't even a world boxer let a lone a world title contender. Martinez is getting to much leeway from the media who I think is another media creation.

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[Bushbaby]

But, you keep saying '29 and undefeated' as if that actually means something.

Darren Barker is undefeated solely because he literally hasn't fought ANYONE. He has only fought above domestic level like 2 or 3 times.

You don't support it but you are hardly critisizing it at all. As opposed to Pac and Mayweather who you completely slate at every given moment. But at the same time don't say nothing about Martinez who is being worse with his next fight.

How is Darren Barker better than Margarito for example? Or even Mosley.

Atleast those 2 have actually fought at World Level in the past 2 years they fought Pac. Barker has NEVER fought at World Level. Like I said, he's only fought about Domestic level 2 or 3 times. THAT is an absolute joke of an opponent.

Like I said, if you're so against Top P4P fighters cherry picking fights then you should put alot more energy into Sergio Martinez' pathetic and undefnedable cherry pick in fighting Darren Barker.

Who said that Barker was better than Margarito or Mosley Iron Dan? Martinez is already recieving his share of criticism. If you find anyone that establishes this fight as slammin, you let me know & we'll go slam em together. But are their people that thoroughly support Pacman's recent ppvs? Yes, about 90% of his fans. Who criticize Floyd, Ortiz & anyone else that they find dangerous to Pacman's status, oh yeah Martinez too. That's why I don't run around condeming the fight. It's already pretty much established that it's lame, by me too.

[Bushbaby]

I agree with you man. BUSHBABY just hate on Pacquiao and Mayweather equally. Maybe that is his angle? Anyway, concerning Darren Barker - he is only a UK fighter with little European exposure and experience. He isn't even a world boxer let a lone a world title contender. Martinez is getting to much leeway from the media who I think is another media creation.

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But you gotta admit, that's better than hating on only Floyd, while Pacman does the same **** no?

[jjbj2]

But you gotta admit, that's better than hating on only Floyd, while Pacman does the same **** no?

Hey, someone has to continue hating on Floyd until he fights Pacman. And there are people defending him here in the forum. And I haven't really participated much in the flame wars since Pacman is not even fighting yet.

I give props to Floyd too. I've been vocal of my support of him choosing Ortiz as his next opponent. A strong young opponent. I wanted Pacquiao to fight Berto and I was disappointed with Mosley getting the pick. Anyway, I just support Pacman because I'm a fan of his. And I don't like what Floyd says about my boxer. It's like I don't like what other baseball fan says to the New York Mets especially if it is negative.

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[IronDanHamza]

But you gotta admit, that's better than hating on only Floyd, while Pacman does the same **** no?

No, by all means, I agree with you in that sense. Both have cherry picked fights in recent years. And I respect you as a poster for being unbiased in that sense.

But, you are just taking it too far by saying things like Jan Zaveck has a chance to beat them. He doesn't.

I know you're fed up with them, I am too. But, I feel you are making that blind your judgment. Andre Berto, Mike Jones, and fihgters of that nature do not really have a chance against Mayweather and Pacquiao.

I also feel you are being a little biased toward Sergio Martinez.

Because I know for an absolute fact if Pacquaio or Mayweather were fighting someone on the level of Darren Barker you would be constantly slating them.